Being a dedicated crook and a liar himself, Donald Trump has long had an inclination to surround himself with crooks and liars. As discussed repeatedly, this preferance naturally extends into the realm of healthcare, Some time ago, he sought the advice of Andrew Wakefield, the man who published the fraudulent research that started the myth about a causal link between MMR-vaccinations and autism.
Early November this year, Trump stated that, if he wins the election, he’ll “make a decision” about whether to outlaw some vaccines based on the recommendation of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a notorious vaccine critic without any medical training. The president doesn’t have authority to ban vaccines but he can influence public health with appointments to federal agencies that can change recommendations or potentially revoke approvals.
Now that he did win the election, Trump suggested that Robert F. Kennedy Jr., his pick to run Health and Human Services, will investigate supposed links between autism and childhood vaccines, a discredited connection that has eroded trust in the lifesaving inoculations.
“I think somebody has to find out,” Trump said in an exclusive interview with “Meet the Press” moderator Kristen Welker. Welker noted in a back-and-forth that studies have shown childhood vaccines prevent about 4 million deaths worldwide every year, have found no connection between vaccines and autism, and that rises in autism diagnoses are attributable to increased screening and awareness.
Trump, too stupid to know the difference between correlation and causation, replied: “If you go back 25 years ago, you had very little autism. Now you have it.” “Something is going on,” Trump added. “I don’t know if it’s vaccines. Maybe it’s chlorine in the water, right? You know, people are looking at a lot of different things.” It was unclear whether Trump was referring to opposition by Kennedy and others to fluoride being added to drinking water.
Kennedy, the onetime independent presidential candidate who backed Trump after leaving the race, generated a large following through his widespread skepticism of the American health care and food system. A major component of that has been his false claims linking autism to childhood vaccinations. Kennedy is the founder of a prominent anti-vaccine activist group, Children’s Health Defense. The agency Trump has tasked him with running supports and funds research into autism, as well as possible new vaccines.
The debunked link between autism and childhood vaccines, particularly the inoculation against mumps, measles and rubella, was first claimed in 1998 by Andrew Wakefield who was later banned from practicing medicine in the UK. His research was found to be fraudulent and was subsequently retracted. Hundreds of studies have found childhood vaccines to be safe.
Autism diagnoses have risen from about 1 in 150 children in 2000 to 1 in 36 today. This rise has been shown to be due to increased screening and changing definitions of the condition. Strong genetic links exist to autism, and many risk factors occurring before birth or during delivery have been identified.
If Trump does, in fact, ‘outlaw’ certain vaccinations, he would endanger the health of the US as well as the rest of the world. Will he really be that stupid?
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If you go by what he says, yes, he really is that stupid. After all, he also vows to instate huge import tariffs for America’s most important trade partners, and to deport some 20 million undocumented immigrants – things which, if actually enacted, will cause unprecedented price hikes for everyday commodities such as food and fuel, making life very hard for especially common Americans (including all those misguided and foolish people who voted for him).
Then again, Trump is a habitual liar as well as notoriously unpredictable, and will follow his whim of the moment, with a team of (slightly) more sensible advisers and officials to clean up after him, correcting and preventing at least his biggest SNAFUs as they happen on an almost daily basis.
So it’s basically no use listening to what he says – there’s no way to tell what he might actually do.
So yes, Trump really is that stupid, but ironically, the consequences of that stupidity may be mitigated by his many other bad traits. But I still think the American people should brace for a very, very rough ride the next couple of years – also in the field of healthcare.
“… team of (slightly) more sensible advisers and officials to clean up after him,…”
No this term! Every potential cabinet appointment related to public health is as bad as RKF. Every single nomination so far is totally loyal and bereft of any real experience or expertise in the field in question.
It’s going to be much worse this time.
I am not a virologist but I work in the field of viral pathogen surveillance and current spread of H5N1 in US is keep our virologists up at night. Let’s hope it doesn’t mutate into a version that causes a full blown pandemic in the next four years. With RFK Jr and his posse at the helm, we as a country are so screwed. Sensible folks will be very hesitant to step up in time of need, not after how they have dragged Dr. Fauci for doing his job.
How the mod mRNA vaccines are tested as “safe”:
https://anandamide.substack.com/p/dirty-deeds-done-dirt-cheap
you should something other than your favorite conspiracy sites, OB!
Yes there is no evidence for anything causing increased autism. No evidence for any causation for increased Cancer or heart disease.
A lot of people though want some answers even if a few think that nothing is going on other than improved diagnostics.
Trump can’t do anything without evidence otherwise he would hit the same resistance Wakefield got. So what are you all worried about?
Wanting answers does not justify the deliberate spreading of false and long-discredited theories. None of the things you mention are actually increasing, although the spread of obesity to younger people may bring increases in diabetes, heart disease and some cancers. Autism, not so much.
Why is it so difficult to understand that we simply diagnose autism far more broadly than we used to?
There is actually a very real and proven reason for an increased incidence of persons diagnosed with autism. It is called progress in recognition and diagnostis of the autism spectrum disorders, not an increase in incidence of the disease but in numbers diagnosed.
@JK
It’s very simple: there are no answers, other than that there’s nothing out of the ordinary going on. The only problem is that antivaxxers, science-deniers and conspiracy believers keep spreading myths about vaccines being harmful, inventing all sorts of nefarious plots and hush-ups by way of ‘support’ and ‘explanation’.
Well, you got me rolling on the floor laughing on this one! Trump doesn’t need or even care about evidence to do the most egregiously stupid things. And now that he is surrounding himself on all levels with politically incompetent sycophants, toadies and idiots, explicitly selected to lick his huge narcissistic posterior instead of pursuing sensible policies, he needs less evidence than ever to just do what he feels like.
Ok fine. I am not trying to stop you getting your knickers in a twist over Trump as you roll around on the floor laughing.
However, it might in the end all turn out better than you think.
Here are some other questions, especially for you, as you seem to be so expert on autism:
When did Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger carry out and publish their research? When was it first published in a journal in the Anglophone countries?
When was the term “Asperger’s Syndrome” first coined? And by whom? When were the diagnostic criteria defined?
When were tools for assessment for possible autism developed and validated? When were the NICE guidelines for autism assessment published? When were what I knew as gold standard tools such as ADOS, ADI-R and the like developed and by whom?
What training was available on autism assessment for CAMHS and paediatric staff of all clinical disciplines?
Outline the development of research into autism, please, naming the crucial names…
Answer that lot and that will answer what you ask.
On you go.
“Being a dedicated crook and a liar himself, Donald Trump has long had an inclination to surround himself with crooks and liars.”
And those are his GOOD qualities…
Yes, he is that stupid–and that willing to enable someone like RFK to implement it.
So much for all the opining above, here’s some scientific referencing:
https://julesonthebeach.substack.com/p/confirmed-synthetic-dna-contamination
NB the shedding…
Tell that to these guys: https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2023/october/katalin-kariko-and-drew-weissman-win-2023-nobel-prize-in-medicine
In that link where it reads:
“…In 2005, they published a key discovery: mRNA could be altered and delivered effectively into the body to activate the body’s protective immune system…”
Is another link where it explains:
“…We show that RNA signals through human TLR3, TLR7, and TLR8, but incorporation of modified nucleosides m5C, m6A, m5U, s2U, or pseudouridine ablates activity. Dendritic cells (DCs) exposed to such modified RNA express significantly less cytokines and activation markers than those treated with unmodified RNA…”
This is what happens when “experts” get over-excited by their own “brilliance” i.e. they think it’s a good idea to disable those toll-like-receptors to allow their mod-mRNA to escape immune-detection so that it lasts…. and lasts… and meanwhile the lack of a TLR3, TLR7 and TLR8 response allows all diseases that they are supposed to respond to, to escape an immune response… in the name of getting a “good immune response” that is the insanity of the thing: partially disable an immune response to get an immune response!!!
Tell that to the authors of this paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-50376-z. They are real experts, not the pseudo experts and contrarians you tend to quote often. Besides, I’d rather take my chances with Nobel prize winning mRNA vaccines over the words of some internet rando.
In the intro:
“The mRNA-1273 vaccine two-injection primary series demonstrated 93.2% efficacy…”
That would be relative, not absolute? I.e. the usual trick… lying.
@Talker
Baah, here is what the investment world thinks of you Nobel prize winning pharma corps mRNA vaccines.
https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=MRNA&ty=c&ta=1&p=m
https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=PFE&ty=c&ta=1&p=m
Follow the money. I will not be surprised to see Moderna and Pfizer defending themselves in court.
@RG
Tell that to the dumb anti-vaxxers like you who refused lifesaving, Nobel prize winning mRNA jabs and died of COVID, here is a small sample of them igits: https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/wiki/hall-of-cain/. I bet they would be very concerned about the stock price and court cases of jab makers, if they were alive.
Meanwhile, in a land where sane humans reside, billions of people who got Nobel prize winning mRNA jabs and are going on about their lives happily and healthily give a rodent’s hiney about the nonsense you are peddling. But don’t let important details stop you from regurgitating your looney bin barely comprehensible antivax talking points.
@RG
Why? Their vaccines work reasonably well and are quite safe, so what crime did these companies commit?
AFAIK, a decreasing stock price is not a crime.
From here:
https://www.brokentruth.tv/p/bombshell-study-demands-immediate
This
[quote]
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The “high mortality rate” of 1,223 deaths in the three months after the introduction of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid shot should have set off instant alarm bells, in addition to thousands of patients who were classified as “unknown” or who had not recovered as of the time of Pfizer-BioNTech’s initial post-marketing report, the study said.
Epidemiologist Nicolas Hulscher, administrator of the McCullough Foundation, who analyzed the study in a Substack post, noted: “There are 19,104 Covid-19 vaccine-related deaths in the United States reported to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System).”
By comparison, Hulscher added: “In the past, the Rotashield vaccine was removed from the market after only 15 cases of intussusception.” He blamed “widespread regulatory capture” for public health agencies’ inaction.
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Old Bob quoted: Epidemiologist Nicolas Hulscher, administrator of the McCullough Foundation, who analyzed the study in a Substack post”
This study:
Philip R Oldfield,
L Maria Gutschi,
➡️Peter A McCullough⬅️,
David J Speicher.
Pfizer/BioNTech’s COVID-19 modRNA Vaccines: Dangerous Genetic Mechanism of Action Released before Sufficient Preclinical Testing.
Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. 2024 Winter;29(4):118–126.
(https://jpands.org/vol29no4/oldfield.pdf)
See:
Peter A. McCullough, COVID‑19, Wikipedia
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html :
A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.
And oh:
WITHDRAWN due to
• Inappropriate citation of references.
• Inappropriate design of methodology.
• Errors, misrepresentation, and lack of factual support for the conclusions.
• Failure to recognise and cite disconfirming evidence.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0379073824001968
Nicolas Hulscher, Paul E. Alexander, Richard Amerling, Heather Gessling, Roger Hodkinson, William Makis, Harvey A. Risch, Mark Trozz, Peter A. McCullough
@FoolBob
Do you actually think anyone takes you seriously when you link to conspiracy site after conspiracy site?
On the contrary, we laugh at you. You’re a clown, our court jester! 😀 😀 😀
@RPGNo1
According to antivaxxers, COVID vaccines are extremely harmful in dozens of ways, causing mayhem, death and destruction of human life on an unprecedented scale. If we should believe them, those vaccines should by now be as deadly as an arsenic-and-cyanide cocktail.
Except of course, we see nothing of the kind.
Yet undaunted, the jokers keep coming up with new ways that COVID vaccines are supposedly harmful on an daily basis, like clockwork.
Most “antivaxxers” are vaccinated. Name an antivaxxer who never had a vaccine!
Old Bob wrote: ‘Most “antivaxxers” are vaccinated. Name an antivaxxer who never had a vaccine!’
Red herring.
https://edzardernst.com/2023/05/are-covid-vaccinations-ineffective-and-dangerous/#comment-146840
Old Bob,
Those who are about to be intubated in an ICU might finally realize that it would’ve been a good idea to have had their dendritic cells (DCs) exposed to something that causes them to express significantly fewer cytokines during a COVID‑19 infection.
Thank you for so clearly demonstrating, yet again, that you do even begin to understand the content of your own comments.
Intubation is 80% lethal for covid.
Early treatment avoids intubation.
This is the question you need to ask yourself: Why did the authorities deny early treatment?
“Intubation is 80% lethal for covid”
Any evidence for this idiotic assumption?
(Lots of patients died because intubation meant they were very seriously ill)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/a-letter-from-polio-in-support-of-rfk-jr-co-signed-by-natural-selection-opinion/ar-AA1vT4w3?ocid=socialshare&fbclid=IwY2xjawHL-31leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVu3f_R8mwD6i_DQhJZdMM2vH4AwJ08pUSmeuzIC51wEEGxVRZXBKEJFIA_aem_wPNV5TCaCEgBAk7Xujmt-Q
There are your polio epidemics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbcHszMCIJM
OK, so what happened anywhere else? Like here in the UK?
Polio denialism is pretty low and an insult to those, some of whom I met, who suffered from this easily preventable disease.
And DDT poisoning is a whole different thing. This is as daft as those who say that autism is akin to Minamata Disease.
@Murmur
And of course polio predates DDT by at least 3500 years …
Yeah, like hieroglyphs of limping figures – or maybe PCR tests where you can prove anything with enough cycles.
Shhhh, don’t tell OB or he’ll be claiming that DDT was a Neolithic invention and that THEY have been keeping it from us all these millenia: Skara Brae was really a chemical works, which is why it’s stuck out on the edge of Orkney.
You are high on opinion but low on data.
Read the first two pages of this:
https://medcraveebooks.com/view/The-Possible-Cause-of-Polio-Post-Polio-CNS-PVIPD-Legionnaires-AIDS-and-the-Cancer-Epidemic-Mass-Acidic-Chemical-Poisoning.pdf
Written by:
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Robert Oldham Young (born March 6, 1952) is an American naturopathic practitioner and author of alternative medicine books promoting an alkaline diet. His most popular works are the “pH Miracle” series of books, which outline his beliefs about holistic healing and an “alkalarian” lifestyle. Young came to prominence after appearances on The Oprah Winfrey Show featured his treatment of Kim Tinkham for breast cancer. Tinkham and Young both claimed that he had cured her, but she died of her disease shortly afterward. He was arrested in January 2014 and convicted in 2016 on two out of three charges of theft and practicing medicine without a license. He spent several months in jail in 2017.
In November 2018 a San Diego jury awarded US$105 million in damages to a cancer patient he persuaded to forgo effective treatment in favor of his alkaline diet, resulting in her disease progressing to an incurable stage 4.
…
Young bases some of his theories, research, and written works on the alternative medical approach of live blood analysis [LBA]. Young teaches microscopy courses in which he trains people to perform live blood analysis as well as dry blood analysis.
…
In 2020, at a meeting of the conspiracy theory group International Tribunal for Natural Justice, Young made a speech that included comments about Bill Gates and vaccines (“For the purpose of sterilization and population control, there’s too many people on the planet we need to get rid of. In the words of Bill Gates, at least three billion people need to die”; international health agencies are “using chemical warfare against all of us.”) that went viral on social media, which were dismissed as false by numerous factcheck organizations.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_O._Young
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You present us with the lies of a convicted plastic shaman who has harmed people, and you are proud of it.
In November 2018 a San Diego jury awarded US$105 million in damages to a cancer patient he persuaded to forgo effective treatment in favor of his alkaline diet, resulting in her disease progressing to an incurable stage 4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_O._Young
If stupidity and ignorance hurt, you would be screaming all day.
You are not forced to follow any advice, unless of course it comes from the government.
The danger is not viruses, or terrorists or Russia, it’s your own government.
That is the reason for the Trump victory.
Starmer is the counter-example.
Unlike you, I certainly do not follow the advice of a convicted criminal and medical layman, @Conspiration Bob.
Only the data matters, the delivery is irrelevant.
Robert O Young as your source? And you say that others are high on opinion and low on data?
Please get some better sources, as I’m running out of irony meters.
next you’ll be telling us that there is no such thing as a virus…
@TrutherBob
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-polio-vaccine-ddt-pesticide-480376540979
You prove this to us every day with your comments that data is lost to you because you can neither read, understand nor interpret it. Even Donald Trump is a paragon of intelligence compared to you.
Here is more data for you. Maybe you can explain it?:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/moderna-stops-mrna-rsv-vaccine-trial-babies-side-effects-fda/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Health_Defense
RFK fanboy OldBob promotes more lies. How suprising! 😉
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There is evidence daily:
https://jessicar.substack.com/p/increased-susceptibility-to-sars-480
Jessica Rose works with Peter McCullough and the McCullough Foundation.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jessica-Rose-24
Torpdeo hit! Anti-vaxxer and Corona Misinformer is sunk! Blupp Blupp Blupp 😀
https://anandamide.substack.com/p/squid-ink-and-smoke-screens
[quote]
Australian drug regulator knows DNA fragments in mRNA vaccines can enter nucleus and integrate into genome, internal emails show
[end of quote]
I hope you’re already a breatharian, Old Bob.
Doerfler W.
Essential concepts are missing: Foreign DNA in food invades the organisms’ cells and can lead to stochastic epigenetic alterations with a wide range of possible pathogenetic consequences.
Clinical Epigenetics. 2020 Feb 7;12(1):21.
doi:10.1186/s13148-020-0813-z.
PMCID: PMC7007663.
Sure, such as DES (diethylstilbestrol).
Well… a breatharian lifestyle wont work either. The human genome contains 8% of foreign DNA of viral origin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous_retrovirus#Human_endogenous_retroviruses.
Old Bob may need to get creative to rid of foreign DNA from his genome. Maybe he will follow Trump’s suggestion and inject bleach? I heard bleach cleans your genes and dissolves foreign DNA. 😆
And Old Bob has already contaminated his genome with cabbage DNA and coffee shrub DNA:
“Explosive revelations as a study conducted at FDA’s own lab found residual DNA levels exceeded safety limits by 6 to 470 times…”:
https://blog.maryannedemasi.com/p/exclusive-fda-lab-uncovers-excess
OB
We know you’re an idiot who credulously cites fellow idiots. Did you try reading that paper?
They found no replication competent DNA.
None.
Antivax loons once again working themselves into a masturbatory frenzy over nothing.
Pathetic as ever.
All you ever do is demonstrate your ovine stupidity. Follow the herd, Bob. It’s all you can do.
McKernan does a critique here:
https://anandamide.substack.com/p/fda-white-oak-lab-finds-6x-to-470x
[quote]
It didn’t take more than a millisecond for the usual trolls to go ad hominem on the authors from Centreville High School in Virginia. These people will eat their own.
The proper approach in science is to ignore the authors, ignore the institutions, ignore all the social engineering bias that can result from such appeals to authority, and just read the methods and the results. Draw your own conclusions. Often the Abstract and Conclusions the authors provide are poetry to appease the gatekeepers at Journals.
…
Many of these class 1 recalls are for potential risk. I don’t know of anyone that has died from their Hairspray or Costco Eggs. Sure, salmonella is serious but the body count on the mRNA vaccines is off the charts and still no action? The Body count was actually evident in the clinical trials and within 60 days from launch of these vaccines (1223 deaths).
This is in stark contrast to the Swine Flu vaccine that was pulled from the market after just 32 deaths back in the 70s. While many studies recite the ‘Safe and Effective’ mantra, many of these studies have overt conflicts of interest with funding from Pfizer. More independent analysis from Fraiman et al demonstrate 1 Serious Adverse Event for every 800 injections.
When will the FDA break from their Spell? Is this regulatory capture or some ideological re-enactment of the Jonestown massacre?
Let’s not forget that the Data Safety Monitoring Boards for these trials we run by the NIH who now has over $1 Billion in vaccine royalty rolling in. No conflict here.
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@Old Bob
It’s quite simple:
– On the one hand, we have a couple of dozen antivaxx imbeciles who keep making up an endless amount of ‘bombshells’ and ‘explosive reports’ and ‘huge scandals’, claiming that COVID vaccines are extremely harmful in dozens of ways – without ever coming up with actual evidence to that extent. Quite the contrary: every single time they start screaming about a new ‘bombshell’, ‘scandal’ etcetera, their claims are debunked within hours or days at most.
– On the other hand we have millions of real doctors, real scientists and other highly trained real experts who, after administering billions of vaccine doses and performing thousands of studies, failed to find anything wrong with those vaccines.
And yet you brainlessly keep parroting the idiots from the first group, without ever even acknowledging that there are vastly more people with a vastly better education who beg to differ, and from whom you could learn a lot.
Real experts like Fauci you mean?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/opinion-pardoning-fauci-would-be-disservice-to-him-and-americans/ar-AA1wHzoL?ocid=BingNewsSerp
[quote]
American taxpayers’ dollars were used to fund viral “gain-of-function” experiments – research designed to enhance transmissibility or virulence of a pathogen – in a Chinese laboratory.
That issue just resurfaced in a meticulous 520-page report issued by the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic. “Dr. Fauci’s testimony was, at a minimum, misleading,” congressional investigators concluded.
[end of quote]
@Old Bob
Yes, I mean real experts like Anthony Fauci, who are highly knowledgeable, and are not spreading lies and nonsense all the time, as all your other fake experts do.
Well done!
Fauci’s ‘noble lies’ catch up to him:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/834050/faucis-noble-lies-catch-up-to-him/
[quote]
Throughout the coronavirus pandemic, people have been told to trust the experts. But what happens when those experts knowingly lie to the public?
[end of quote]
@Old Bob
Fauci has never lied. It’s the idiots you keep brainlessly parroting who are lying about Fauci.
Fauci did a sterling job in extremely difficult circumstances, managing a pandemic response while his boss (the narcissistic sociopath) first denied that there was a problem, and then started blurting out nonsense about injecting disinfectants and treating the disease with malaria pills and horse medicine – both of which were useless.
And oh, when it comes to apologizing about lies: when will we get an apology from Fauci’s former boss? Because that man is not just a narcissistic sociopath who doesn’t care about anyone but himself, but first and foremost a pathological liar, who during his first presidential term produced no less than 6 serious lies EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Also note that you have shifted from parroting lies about COVID vaccines to parroting lies about infectious disease experts – again of course without ever producing credible evidence. You are in other words an ignorant troll who is not interested in a serious discussion about regular and alternative health issues, but only in spreading nonsense and lies.
Your argument is against the Washington Examiner and MSN above who in turn report on the “…520-page report issued by the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic.”
Save your opinions for them.
@Old Bob
Both sources you mention consist of known extreme-right wingnuts who reflect their readers’ respectively constituency’s highly politicized but factually ignorant views. In particular Rand Paul, a habitual liar, hypocrite and all-round crank is on some sort of crazy mission against Fauci.
In short: there’s nothing wrong with Fauci and there’s nothing wrong with COVID vaccines. There is however quite a lot wrong with the people who keep spreading FUD about both of the above.
Anyway, correcting your endless stream of ignorant nonsense is getting boring, so I’ll leave it at this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Examiner
“There is a point in the history of society when it becomes so pathologically soft and tender that among other things it sides even with those who harm it, criminals, and does this quite seriously and honestly. Punishing somehow seems unfair to it, and it is certain that imagining “punishment” and “being supposed to punish” hurts it, arouses fear in it. “Is it not enough to render him undangerous? Why still punish? Punishing itself is terrible.” With this question, herd morality, the morality of timidity, draws its ultimate consequence.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil
QUOTE Friedrich Nietzsche, RationalWiki
While Nietzsche was certainly not an anti-Semite, his various works had a profound impact on the ideology of the Third Reich. He pontificated against democracy and parliaments, praised war, and thought about the concept of a super‑man. He, like Hitler after him, considered the State to be of greater import than any individual and hated Christianity for its focus on charity and pity. On war, Nietzsche mirrored many other 19th Century German thinkers. In Thus Spake Zarathustra, he writes “Ye shall love peace as a means to a new war, and the short peace more than the long. You I advise not to work, but to fight. You I advise not to peace but to victory… Ye say it is the good cause which halloweth even war? I say unto you: it is the good war which halloweth every cause. War and courage have done more great things than charity.”
Despite having no experience with them, Nietzsche considered women to be distinctly inferior to men, decreeing that their place was in the kitchen and the maternity ward. “Men shall be trained for war and woman for the procreation of the warrior. All else is folly.” In Thus Spake Zarathustra he expanded on this concept with “Thou goest to woman? Do not forget thy whip!” This bit of silliness supposedly led Bertrand Russell to quip “Nine women out of ten would have got the whip away from him, and he knew it, so he kept away from women.”
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche
As always: When Old Bob can no longer present a pseudo-argument for his conspiracies and lies, he plays pigeon chess.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pigeon_chess
*guru guru guru*
MSM gets a taste of its own medicine:
https://www.prolificnorth.co.uk/news/nuj-backs-bbc-over-apple-intelligence-fake-news-summaries/
How predictable! There you go again, dodging because you have been caught out as a lying ignoramus.. 😀
This just in today:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-yale-researchers-have-found
[quote]
Yale researchers have found Covid spike protein in the blood of people never infected with Covid – years after they got mRNA jabs
[end of quote]
How predictable! There you go again, dodging because you have been caught out as a lying ignoramus. 😀
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Berenson#COVID-19_pandemic
@RPGNo1
So what we have here is two unidentified people who heard two unidentified researchers claiming a hugely implausible result from some unregistered and thus unidentified study which may be ‘published soon’ as non-peer-reviewed preprint – as shared exclusively with Berenson’s own ‘Unreported Truths’ Internet sewer channel.
Well, that sounds like pretty solid science to me 🙂
@Old Bob
Sir, the readers here have little interest in what the Yale scientist have now realized, because the information was not posted from a legacy media website.
I tested positive for covid-19 twice, once before vaccination and once after, the same for my wife. My age was 64 on the first time around and 65 the second. The virus is SO deadly that you need to be tested to even know if you have/had it. Both experiences were very similar, much like the flu, in fact I had worse flu attacks many times.
The only reason that some children should have been vaccinated is the same reason some older adults need a jab… underlying health conditions. Was it the virus that killed so many ? … or was it they were already suffering from chronic health conditions ? I contend the later. I can’t speak to what happened in other countries because I am not familiar with the health However, I do know the health in the general population in the USA is so poor that it’s no wonder the death toll was so high in comparison. Many died needlessly due to health preconditions. Does that even sound familiar to anybody ?
And now as you have pointed out Bob, the population is in a worse state than before, because they are suffering from the same previous chronic conditions. and new unhealthful conditions due to the jabs.
You mean the same Yale that’s recommending a brand spankin’ new mRNA vaccine for RSV?
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/should-you-get-an-rsv-vaccine 🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣🤣
The Nobel Prize winning mRNA revolution is here. The majority got covid mRNA jabs, and most will end up getting RSV jabs as well. There is nothing antivax loons like you and Old Bob can do anything about it except s*** bricks.
As you say, it is impossible to interest anyone in this group if it goes against their credos.
Some folks I know have changed their minds, but only through direct experience (I only tried once, in 2021 with one fellow and the guy really got angry, so I never did that again, not personally. The great thing about anonymity is that it is impersonal – you can have fun and no relationship gets hurt.
The pattern is always the same: reduce the argument to some minimal detail, preferably to the person themselves and then attack the person – and it works against anyone who just wants to be friends, which is why I guess, it is universal, and so easy for tyrants to take advantage of.
So I look for this trait in myself and sure enough it is there e.g. when you are growing up, you might cry when you lose some game against an adult, and look foolish, so you eradicate it, kill that fucker dead and never do that again, but this is in childhood when you think you know more than your Dad (who turns out to be a genius, later).
It is a lack of maturity: The Leftist thing (if you are not a socialist when you are 18 you don’t have a heart, if you are not for free-enterprise when you are 40, you don’t have a brain – or however it goes).
This is how I now handle myself professionally (some years ago):
“Young Bob, your code needs to change.”
Furious rage suppressed, “Why?”
“Because when the temperature drops below minus 10, the WDT timesout (it’s an RC).”
“Shit, thanks for that, it never occurred to me!”
And *that* gives me a buzz that I managed to control myself, that I still smile about today, in the same way that with a terrific effort, I managed not to cry when I lost at bowls aged 8.
The evidence against The vaccine and hence all the others is now so overwhelming that it is being reported, even on MSM (see this week’s theH…W…) e.g. the December 4th report.
Being dispassionate about medicine, (and everyone should be because after all it is a “practice” not a “science”), makes the subject really interesting and nothing to get upset about.
@RG
There is no ‘information’ and there may even be no ‘Yale scientists’.
All there is so far is the words of an antivaxxer with no scientific credentials whatsoever who has a history of lying and making things up – so in essence someone like OB and you – who claims that two anonymous people told him about two equally anonymous researchers who claim that they found spike protein in people who were last vaccinated several years ago.
Based on this, our ignorant antivaxxer then conjures up the explanation that residual DNA in mRNA vaccines somehow a) codes for spike protein (which it doesn’t), b) got integrated in human DNA (which is impossible), and c) got expressed (which is ludicrously unlikely). In other words: the man has no idea what he is talking about. But of course ignoranuses like OB and you swallow his nonsense hook, line and sinker, and even spread it on.
What ‘unhealthful conditions due to the jabs’ are those, pray? I can’t think of any. There is no indication that mRNA vaccines cause any significant, widespread health problems (apart of course from the known, usually mild side effects).
Go here:
https://openvaers.com/covid-data
And scroll down a couple of pages to “All deaths reported to VAERS by year” and then scroll down a bit more to “VEARS COVID vaccine reports by days to onset-all Ages”
And there is your safety signal, and remember that a one million dollar review by Yale, funded by the FDA said that less than 1% of adverse effects are reported by doctors.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html :
A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.
https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/vaers-reported-vaccine-deaths-have-not-been-confirmed-or-deemed-causal-by-cdc-idUSL1N2MZ2H8/
the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires healthcare workers to report any deaths AFTER (not necessarily caused by) vaccination to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System).
I wrote “safety signal” not “proof”.
You think there’s no problem, you take the vaccine.
Old Bob wrote: “Go here: https://openvaers[dot]com/covid-data“
Those reported deaths are not a signal either. They were in fact fully expected.
Now you are probably way too stupid to understand the following, but here’s the math anyway:
– Healthcare workers are required by law to report all deaths in a period of 3 months (IIRC) following vaccination to VAERS, regardless of what the cause of death was.
– Now for instance an 85-year-old has a 2.5% probability to die within 3 months.
– There are about 1.4 million 85-year-olds in the US, so 35,000 of those will die within a 3-month time frame.
– If all those 85-year-olds received a COVID vaccine, then that would also lead to 35,000 mandatory(!) death reports with VAERS – even if not a single one of those deaths was actually caused by the vaccine.
– Repeat for all age brackets, and you get hundreds of thousands of VAERS death reports, not one of which would be reported to VAERS under normal circumstances (i.e. without mass COVID vaccination). And yes, healthcare workers were required by law to file those thousands of reports, even if it was abundantly clear that people died from other causes. So if anything, deaths are not under-reported as you try to suggest, but in fact hugely over-reported.
As this was expected, scientists and other experts were not alarmed at all by the sudden surge of death reports. Only antivaxxers and other ignoranuses keep screaming bloody murder about those numbers.
Now there will of course be some deaths caused by the COVID vaccine – even mild vaccine side effects can give an extremely frail person the last push. And some unlucky people will develop an anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine, which can kill in minutes if not treated promptly. But those cases are exceedingly rare. Most estimates peg the death rate of COVID vaccines at about 1 per 10 million vaccine doses administered, which is the same as with other vaccines.
So summarized: there are no signs whatsoever that COVID vaccines cause excess deaths or are particularly harmful in other ways.
Correction:
” If all those 85-year-olds received a COVID vaccine, then that would also lead to 35,000 mandatory(!) death reports with VAERS …”
From what I understand, this mandatory reporting only applies to deaths of patients in the care of healthcare workers at the time of vaccination – otherwise VAERS would be deluged with death reports as per my calculation.
What this tells me is that we should leave the interpretation of VAERS data to professionals, and that does not include me – or antivaxxers, for that matter. So stop using VAERS as a kind of oracle that tells you what you want to hear.
@Talker
If the public continues accepting mRNA vaccines, that is their choice. Hundreds of millions will choose otherwise.
We should not forget the definition of insanity, doing the same thing and expecting a different result. As they say, you can’t fix stupid.
“As they say, you can’t fix stupid.”
Yes – and by Jove, you are the living proof!
If? The US has already accepted mRNA jabs as the future of vaccines. As of April 2023 over half a billion mRNA jabs were given in US: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1198516/covid-19-vaccinations-administered-us-by-company/. Covid mRNA jabs have proved themselves to be safe and effective, repeatedly.
Not just covid and RSV, there are more mRNA jabs coming for all sorts of diseases: https://www.pennmedicine.org/mrna. Undoubtedly the future belongs to the Nobel Prize winning mRNA jabby-jabs. If you and “hundreds of millions” of people want to live in the stone age, be my guest. There are unlimited number of Herman Cain Awards to give out for your lot. 😂😂
Why is VAERS under-reported when it is illegal not to fill it in?
chatGPT replies:
[quote]
VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) is often considered underreported despite mandates for certain individuals, such as healthcare providers, to report adverse events. Here are key reasons for underreporting, even when reporting is legally required in specific circumstances:
1. Lack of Awareness
Healthcare Providers: Some providers may not be fully aware of their legal obligation to report certain adverse events.
Patients and Public: Many individuals don’t realize they can report directly to VAERS, leading to fewer reports from the general public.
2. Time and Resource Constraints
Burden on Providers: Filling out a VAERS report can be time-consuming, and busy healthcare professionals might prioritize other tasks over reporting, especially if the event seems mild or unrelated to the vaccine.
No Direct Compensation: Reporting to VAERS is unpaid, which may further discourage compliance.
3. Perceived Severity of the Event
Mild Symptoms Overlooked: Providers might not report mild or common side effects, believing they are insignificant or expected, even if the law requires reporting certain adverse events regardless of perceived severity.
Uncertainty About Causation: Some providers might hesitate to report events they believe are coincidental and not caused by the vaccine.
4. Reporting Complexity
System Navigation Issues: Some users find the VAERS reporting system cumbersome or confusing, especially if they are not tech-savvy.
Missing Information: Providers might avoid reporting if they lack details like vaccine lot numbers or patient history.
5. Fear of Liability or Repercussions
Concern About Scrutiny: Some healthcare providers may avoid reporting adverse events out of concern that it could lead to questions about their care or vaccine administration practices.
Stigma: Fear of fueling vaccine hesitancy might discourage some from reporting adverse events publicly.
6. Misinterpretation of the Law
Some providers might not fully understand what qualifies as a “reportable” adverse event or may not realize that reporting to VAERS is required for certain conditions.
7. Voluntary Nature for the Public
While reporting is legally mandated for healthcare providers under specific circumstances (e.g., vaccine-related deaths, adverse events listed as reportable), most reports to VAERS are voluntary, particularly for patients and families. This voluntary nature contributes to underreporting.
Efforts to Address Underreporting:
Awareness Campaigns: Educating healthcare providers and the public about the importance of reporting to VAERS.
System Improvements: Simplifying the reporting process to make it more user-friendly.
Integration into Medical Systems: Automating VAERS reporting within electronic health records (EHRs).
Policy Enforcement: Strengthening enforcement mechanisms to ensure compliance with reporting laws.
By addressing these barriers, VAERS can improve its data quality and comprehensiveness, which is essential for monitoring vaccine safety effectively.
[end of quote]
@Talker
Herman Cain didn’t die FROM covid. He died from his underlying conditions WITH covid.
Please tell me about all the covid patients with-OUT underlying conditions that died FROM covid.
“Yes, COVID-19 can be fatal, especially for certain individuals with underlying health conditions or those in older age groups. While the majority of people who contract COVID-19 experience mild to moderate symptoms and recover without severe complications, the virus can be particularly dangerous for certain populations.”
Old Bob quoted the result of asking ChatGPT:
"Why is VAERS under-reported when it is illegal not to fill it in?"
Whereas this is the the result of asking ChatGPT:
"Why is VAERS over-reported?"
QUOTE
The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a U.S. system for collecting reports of vaccine side effects. It is often considered “over-reported” for a few key reasons:
⒈ Self-Reporting Nature: VAERS allows anyone (healthcare providers, patients, or caregivers) to submit a report, which can lead to voluntary, non-verified submissions. This opens the door for both genuine and inconsequential reports to be filed.
⒉ No Causality Verification: VAERS collects reports of adverse events following vaccination, but it does not assess or establish causality. This means that events that occur after vaccination, even if they are unrelated, are still reported. For instance, if someone has a heart attack after vaccination, it may be reported to VAERS even if the vaccine had no connection to the event.
⒊ Cautionary Reporting: Healthcare providers, particularly those who are required to report adverse events, may file reports out of caution, even if the event is mild or suspected to be coincidental. This is sometimes referred to as “over-reporting” to ensure that even minor or unusual events are documented.
⒋ Broad Definition of “Adverse Event”: VAERS considers a wide range of events as potential adverse effects, from serious conditions like anaphylaxis to minor, temporary symptoms like a sore arm or mild fever. This leads to a higher volume of reports, many of which may not reflect a direct cause-and-effect relationship with the vaccine.
⒌ Public Awareness: Increased public awareness of VAERS, especially during vaccine rollouts like COVID-19 vaccination, has led to a greater number of reports, including those from individuals who may be concerned about any health change following vaccination, even if it’s unrelated.
Overall, while VAERS is a valuable tool for monitoring vaccine safety, the system is designed to collect all possible reports, including those that may not represent true adverse effects, leading to an over-representation of adverse events.[my emphasis] This is why further studies and data analysis are often needed to assess the true risk of a vaccine.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣
As RPGNo1 noted to Old Bob above:
If stupidity and ignorance hurt, you would be screaming all day.
@RG
You can try to bend the truth to your will, but in the end you have to face the facts: Herman Cain DIED from COVID-19. His own website had confirmed it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/former-gop-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-dead-coronavirus-n1235312
do you think VAERS is over-reported or under reported?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT
The consensus among experts and regulatory agencies is that VAERS (the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) is under-reported for most types of vaccine adverse events. Here’s why:
Why VAERS is Typically Under-Reported
Voluntary Reporting System:
VAERS is a passive surveillance system, meaning that healthcare providers, vaccine recipients, or others voluntarily submit reports.
Many individuals, including healthcare professionals, may not take the time to file reports, especially for mild or moderate adverse events that resolve quickly.
Lack of Awareness:
Some people are unaware of VAERS or its purpose, particularly members of the general public who might not know how to report an event.
Even among healthcare providers, not everyone knows that they are encouraged to report suspected vaccine-related adverse events.
Time and Administrative Barriers:
Filing a VAERS report can be time-consuming, which may discourage busy healthcare providers from completing the process.
Focus on Severe Events:
Mild or expected side effects (e.g., a sore arm or mild fever) may not be reported because they are considered normal and not worth the effort to document.
Severe events are more likely to be reported but may still go unreported unless there is a clear temporal relationship with vaccination.
Data from Studies:
A 2010 study funded by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) found that fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported to VAERS. This suggests significant underreporting.
Why Some Argue VAERS is Over-Reported
Heightened Awareness:
During the COVID-19 pandemic, widespread attention on vaccines led to increased public awareness of VAERS, which may have resulted in more reports than usual.
This could include reports from people attributing unrelated health events to vaccines due to temporal proximity.
No Causation Verification:
VAERS accepts all reports regardless of whether there is evidence of causation. This means that some reports may document events that are not actually related to the vaccine.
Duplicate or Fraudulent Reports:
There is a possibility of duplicate or incorrect submissions, though VAERS has processes to identify and address these issues.
Balancing Perspectives
Under-Reporting:
Most experts agree that underreporting is a significant issue, especially for mild or moderate adverse events.
The system’s primary goal is to identify potential safety signals rather than provide a complete picture of all adverse events.
Over-Reporting:
The increased awareness during events like the COVID-19 pandemic may temporarily increase the number of reports, but this is not typically the norm.
Takeaway
Overall, VAERS is generally considered under-reported, particularly for less severe adverse events. However, during periods of heightened attention to vaccines (e.g., the COVID-19 pandemic), reporting may increase. To complement VAERS data, regulatory agencies use other surveillance systems and studies to evaluate vaccine safety comprehensively.
Question: What is a spamming troll?
QUOTE ChatGPT reply
A "spamming troll" refers to a person who deliberately floods online spaces (like social media platforms, forums, or chat groups) with repetitive, irrelevant, or disruptive content in order to provoke reactions, cause annoyance, or disrupt discussions. They typically engage in this behavior for the sake of attention, amusement, or to create chaos.
"Spamming" refers to the act of posting large volumes of unsolicited content, often repetitive or off-topic. "Trolling" involves making inflammatory, rude, or provocative remarks with the intention of irritating others or starting arguments. When these two behaviors are combined, a "spamming troll" uses excessive, disruptive posts to hijack conversations and incite frustration.
END OF QUOTE
Are there any spamming trolls here: https://edzardernst.com/2024/12/donald-trump-might-try-to-outlaw-some-vaccinations-in-the-us/
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT
Based on the available information, there is no clear evidence of spamming trolls in the comment section of the article titled “Donald Trump might try to ‘outlaw’ some vaccinations in the US” on Edzard Ernst’s blog.
The discussions involve participants expressing their views on vaccination policies, with some, like “Old Bob,” presenting skeptical perspectives supported by references to sources such as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).
While the debates are robust and reflect differing opinions, they do not appear to exhibit characteristics of spamming or trolling behavior.
It’s important to note that online discussions on contentious topics can become heated, and perceptions of trolling may vary among participants. However, based on the available information, the comments in this thread do not seem to constitute spamming or trolling.
For more detailed discussions and viewpoints, you can visit the original article and comments on Edzard Ernst’s blog.
Where did I state that the is/are spamming trolls here?
I’m sure many of the readers are adequately capable of deciding for themselves.
George Carlin “…you fucking pussies…”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIzXWllZWt0
Old Bob,
Can ChatGPT provide us with any real-world examples of commentators that it has identified as matching its own definition of "spamming trolls"?
RPGNo1
The fact that his website attributes his death to the virus means little, they are simply mimicking the lame MD’s that were labeling the cause of death to anybody and everybody that tested covid positive and died WITH the virus…. including those that died in auto accidents.
You make my case, I said that Cain was in a sub-sect of the population that had a previous underlying condition that led to his death.
“The statement noted that Cain, who survived a battle with Stage 4 colon cancer, had been “pretty healthy in recent years” but was considered to be in a “high-risk group” for COVID-19 complications due to his history with cancer.”
QUOTE from Causality, Wikipedia [my formatting]
J. L. Mackie argues that usual talk of “cause” in fact refers to INUS conditions (insufficient but non-redundant parts of a condition which is itself unnecessary but sufficient for the occurrence of the effect).
An example is a short circuit as a cause for a house burning down. Consider the collection of events: the short circuit, the proximity of flammable material, and the absence of firefighters. Together these are unnecessary but sufficient to the house’s burning down (since many other collections of events certainly could have led to the house burning down, for example shooting the house with a flamethrower in the presence of oxygen and so forth). Within this collection, the short circuit is an insufficient (since the short circuit by itself would not have caused the fire) but non-redundant (because the fire would not have happened without it, everything else being equal) part of a condition which is itself unnecessary but sufficient for the occurrence of the effect.
So, the short circuit is an INUS condition for the occurrence of the house burning down.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality
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“Doctor” RG opines thusly:
https://edzardernst.com/2024/12/donald-trump-might-try-to-outlaw-some-vaccinations-in-the-us/#comment-154520
I get it now, RG. Unvaccinated folk didn’t really die FROM covid. They died due to lack of mRNA vaccine in their body WITH Covid. Therefore, Nobel prize winning mRNA jabs save lives. 😭
@Talker
Aren’t you the clown that informed me that the drug Ivermectin did NOT win a Nobel prize, that the scientist behind it are the ones that won the prize… duh
Now I’m hearing from you that the covid jabs won the Nobel prize award… hmmm.
More double standards from this blog.
Your memory served you well, RG. I am just trying to speak in clown to a clown. Apparently, you fail to comprehend even when someone speaks in your language. 😭😂🤣😅
From here:
https://anandamide.substack.com/p/paul-offit-yard-sale
[quote]
Paul Offit tries to set the record straight with a video pleading for you to pay no attention to the DNA contamination story.
[end of quote]
Oh joy of joys! I just stumbled upon a wonderful Christmas present – and it’s one that I can share with all of you!
It is a fallacy that I hadn’t heard of before, and that we see a lot of right here (I shall name no names, what with the season of being nice to each other and all):
The Countless Counterfeits Fallacy(*)
This is where someone believes that a huge amount of bad evidence means that there must be some good evidence out there too, and therefore they must be right. Or in slightly more colourful language: it’s like coming up with cartloads of crap while insisting that there must be diamonds in there. As RW also says, it is closely related to the Gish Gallop argumentation style.
*: Frankly, I think the name of this fallacy does not exactly roll off the tongue, but then again, I can’t come up with a better one for now.
Dec-23-2024
FDA pauses all infant RSV vaccine (Moderna-mRNA) trials after rise in severe illnesses
“The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has put on hold all respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) vaccine trials involving infants (aged under 2 years) or RSV naive children aged 2-5 years, after a trial reported an increase in severe illness.”
https://www.bmj.com/content/387/bmj.q2852.full
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4C3CVIXWz5w
An increase in severe illness ? Hmmm, I wonder what went wrong.
@RG
Apparently, the vaccine caused an unintended type of immune response in children who haven’t been in contact with the actual virus yet.
Subsequent infection with the virus can then cause a more severe illness instead of protecting the child against serious disease. This is known as Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), and has also been observed in the dengue vaccine – which is why this vaccine is only given to children who test positive for contact with the dengue virus. The problem is that ADE can’t really be predicted; it only manifests itself in real-world infection scenarios (and of course vaccinated people are not deliberately infected with the real virus to see what happens).
Note that this has nothing to do with mRNA vaccines; the mechanism involved solely depends on the antibodies created during the immune response; the type of vaccine eliciting this immune response is irrelevant – which is also why those children only became ill after infection with the RS virus, not immediately after being vaccinated.
Also note that this is a phase 1 clinical trial, which is explicitly meant to gauge the vaccine’s safety, and that it was Moderna itself who immediately halted their trial (in July) when signs of ADE first arose.
So what went wrong? Simple: the first small-scale trial shows safety problems, so further testing of this vaccine is halted, and likely abandoned. End of story. This is NOT a sign that you can’t trust vaccines or Big Pharma blah blah. It is a sign that vaccine manufacturing take testing very seriously.
(I didn’t click the YT link, but given your history, it’s probably some ignorant antivaxx imbecile ranting about mRNA vaccines.)
Resulting in the covid-vaccinated getting covid multiple times e.g. Trudeau and Biden
No.
Yes.
Trudeau:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/13/americas/justin-trudeau-covid19-intl/index.html
Biden:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/how-many-times-has-joe-biden-had-covid-19/ar-BB1qdvuF
No, as in: No, ADE has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with COVID-19, COVID-vaccines, or people (vaccinated or not) contracting COVID more than once.
So no, ADE is NOT ‘Resulting in the covid-vaccinated getting covid multiple times e.g. Trudeau and Biden’.
COVID vaccines simply aren’t 100% effective, but they are VERY safe and they DO prevent serious illness and death in a lot of people. They certainly do NOT cause or aggravate illness.
The MSM propaganda said “the virus stops with every vaccinated person…”:
https://x.com/mtaibbi/status/1488196414979067904
Then they said “prevents serious illness…”
Now it is “Antibody dependent disease enhancement (ADE) after COVID-19 vaccination and beta glucans as a safer strategy in management”:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X23002529
Because the ADE risk was well known as a given, move along folks, nothing new to see here.
Science is a process.
We learn things and adjust our claims accordingly.
@Old Bob
Mainstream media ≠ science. We’re doing science here – well, except you of course.
And oh, since you’re complaining about propaganda: are you familiar with the term ‘hypocrisy’? For years already, you and other antivaxx ignoranuses have incessantly been spreading antivaxx propaganda lies on a daily basis, up until this very moment – WAY more than all mainstream media taken together. So please don’t complain about ‘propaganda’.
Please stop lying. COVID vaccines are not associated with ADE.
Again you are high on opinion and non-existent on evidence, so instead you blame “Old Bob”, a non-entity.
If what you claim is as self-evident as you think it is, how come most folks now reject the status quo (on vaccines) when most took it in the first place? “[people only learn from experience, and most don’t even learn from that]” to paraphrase the fella.
@Richard Rasker
“COVID vaccines simply aren’t 100% effective”
C’mon Richie, the claim was 96% effective. And after two months, the efficacy was cut in half. They use Relative Risk instead of Absolute Risk to fool the public into thinking the jabs were more effective than they actually are.
“but they are VERY safe and they DO prevent serious illness and death in a lot of people”
Sir, need I remind you that the average covid death patient was over 80 years old. Yes, there was a case for jabbing old folks, especially those with underlying health conditions.
@Old Bob
You truly have no idea how dumb you are.
From your own link:
“A potential risk associated with vaccines for COVID-19 is antibody-dependent disease enhancement (ADE) … Though ADE has not been clinically demonstrated with any of the COVID-19 vaccines so far” (emphasis added)
So we have several billion doses of COVID vaccines administered, and zero documented or even suspected cases of ADE. Yet you insist on making the link, in the course of spouting your endless diarrhea of antivaxx propaganda. You clearly did not even READ the article that you linked to, let alone that you understood it. Yet you keep on shooting off that stupid flytrap of yours.
Sigh … And yes, as can be expected, here we have the next lie, straight from your dumb ass. No, most people do NOT ‘reject the status quo on vaccines’. Most elderly people I know simply get their COVID boosters, together with their flu shots. Because they want to minimize the risk of getting seriously ill. Most younger people don’t need the vaccine any more, because current COVID variants are way less dangerous, and people have built up a certain degree of resistance through multiple vaccinations and infections.
But in general, people do NOT share your ill-informed antivaxx views – and rightly so. There is nothing wrong with COVID vaccines – and ironically, the best evidence for this is the fact that you and other antivaxx imbeciles keep spouting new antivaxx crap on a daily basis: if you were right even a fraction of the time, then that would mean that COVID vaccines are extremely dangerous. Which they aren’t. Which means that you are completely and utterly wrong. Not even once was an antivaxx message that you parroted here confirmed by actual scientists.
Normally, I respect less intelligent and intelligent people alike. Understanding scientific topics is not for everyone, and I find that almost everyone has some talents or skills or other that they can be proud of. But if there’s one thing that I find very annoying, and immediately loses my respect, it’s the kind of arrogant, wilful stupidity that you keep demonstrating continuously.
@Truth twister RG
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/Impfen/Forschungsprojekte/COViK/COViK-Studie.html
And yet, both Trudeau, Biden and millions of others get covid multiple times are multiple covid vaccines that explains the recent decline in vaccine take up generally (The Sun, The Times, etc).
Pfizer, Moderna and all the others will *never* investigate ADE because they are afraid of the results and also, then they can say “there is no evidence for it” – an old trick.
@Old Bob
And sure enough, instead of shutting your dumb mouth in deep shame as you should, you just keep pulling more nonsense and lies out of your ignorant ass.
Oh, but they (and other scientists) HAVE investigated it(*). Even better: from the very start, they designed their COVID vaccines to minimize the chances of ADE occurring. How? By targeting the spike protein (and not e.g. the Sars-COV-2 nucleoprotein), which the virus uses to gain entry to cells. It turns out that these S-protein-targeting vaccines show no sign of ADE in vaccinated people AT ALL.
And oh, before you come up with more nonsense about Pfizer and Moderna would of course lie to us about their tests: many of those ADE trials were carried out by independent laboratories and academic institutions.
*: You could of course have quickly found this yourself with 10 seconds of googling. But hey, why do that, when it’s much easier to just keep on lying and trolling with completely made-up crap, eh?
The whole thing is back to front: inject the toxic part, ignoring the innocuous parts.
And worse than that, make the body’s own cells the target for destruction!
Originally the idea would have been to remove the spike and give the body, preferably nasally, the inactive parts so that the immune system would be trained on everything except the spike so that there would be no ill effects while inducing a broad immunity.
But the opposite was done, the vaccine bypasses the mucosa and is injected directly into the body with spike, the toxic part, this is what modern medicine has become: evil.
@Old Bob
You really should shut up. You have no idea whatsoever what you’re talking about – yet in all your arrogant ignorance you think you know better than hundreds of thousands of highly educated virologists, immunologists and microbiologists.
No, those spike proteins are not ‘toxic’ in any significant way – otherwise we’d all be dead by now, given that a viral infection introduces LOTS of those spike proteins into a patient’s body – far more than a vaccination.
And no, those vaccine-derived spike proteins are not particularly dangerous either. If anything, they’re even LESS harmful, because they almost always remain stuck to the cells where they were produced, forming an easy target for the immune system.
From here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ml0UhlQxBk
Heather McDonald, “I don’t think I’ll get the fourth booster though…”
You guys can now give her a hard time too for being an anti-vaxxer.
your repertoire of stupidity seems endless.
MOST ENTERTAINING!
Ah yes, that one …
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/heather-mcdonald-stage-collapse-became-195305713.html
@RPGNo1
I don’t think you really addressed what I posted.
First of all, vaccination did NOT prevent infection, neither did the vaccine prevent transmission. Stop listening to the biased narrative and talk to some people that were vaccinated.
Secondly, as I stated, not everybody needed protection from the virus. Again, the average death was over 80 years of age.
Stop listening to the biased narrative and talk to some morons, RG!!!
Impressive word-salad, Bob. Nice of you to demonstrate once again the sheer breadth of your ignorance.
Matt Le Tissier from here:
https://rumble.com/v3vq07f-matt-le-tissier-speaking-at-the-pha-gala-dinner-29th-september-2023.html
November 2021, Dr Charlotte Cowie at the FIFPRO “This happens all the time, but no one noticed it until now”
Bobby Barnes head of FIFPRO – said likewise but under pressure admitted“…No [Likewise, I never saw anyone pulled of the field in my career for this]” –
Matt hatched a plan to get 100 ex professional footballers such as Kevin Kegan to sign up to there being a cover-up…
Finally near the end of his speech, this:
“…I sent a press cutting to the doctor at the FA with, Oh look, there’s another one…” etc., and they replied, “As you know…” no I did not know, this is how she worded it, “…professional footballers in England are no longer being encouraged to have vaccinations…” Now I wonder if anyone saw that press release from the FA [sarcasm] because I certainly didn’t.
Ah yes. Tinfoil-hatted ex-footballers are now the arbiters of science and evidence.
Really, Bob. Try to do better.
Science has nothing to do with the cover-up exposed by the FA’s reaction. Only 50% of premiere footballers were vaccinated, not 95%.
It takes a *lot* of pressure from Le Tissier and the like, who have the necessary contacts to expose what is really going on behind the scenes in the FA.
When professional footballers start to push-back, the amount of money involved is threatened and the FA backs-off with the secret agreement, not to talk about it (listen again to Le Tissier – you missed that).
ahhh, the incredible wisdom of professional footballers in medicine and many other areas!
@Old Bob
Yeah, it’s a little-known secret that our most revered sportspeople (and especially football players) are in fact part of a cabal of highly trained scientists, destined to guide humanity with their unfathomable wisdom should ever the need arise – such as during the COVID vaccination season.
They normally hide their wisdom, skills and knowledge by making seemingly stupid statements – at which they do a masterly job, IMHO. (And yes, you may chalk that up as a compliment to you as well.)
But they’re still human, and every now and then they slip up, and give us a glimpse of what really goes on inside their brain. Then again, that may of course also be a smokescreen. With conspiracies like this, you never can tell …
Well done, Richard! That is top notch satire. Usually, I take it upon myself to lampoon the trolls but this time you take the cake. Happy New Year!
“Well bless your heart!”:
https://www.malone.news/p/sunday-strip-the-end-of-an-error
Oh, Robert Malone, “die dauerbeleidigte Leberwurst” (literally: the permanently insulted liverwurst), who constantly claims to have invented the mRNA vaccine.
Malone only spreads lies and misinformation about mRNA-vaccines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone#COVID-19_research_and_controversy
This is the point where Malone’s name was scrubbed from the internet:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/odr5x4/whats_up_with_dr_robert_malones_name_has_been/
(do a control-f on the second link therein, for “malone” – there are 4 results in the references only. His name was removed from the body-text – see the first link where he is in the body-text (3 times with 6 references).
NB. that later on, they reintroduced him into the body text once they had worked out how to discredit him. If you try and correct the record, you can’t because the page is locked (only Wikipedia-selected-authors allowed. Everyone else, especially Malone, is banned, from his own page!)
@RPGNo1
There are many patents with his name attached, below is one.
“Induction of a protective immune response in a mammal by injecting a DNA sequence
Patent number: 5589466
Abstract: A method for delivering an isolated polynucleotide such as DNA or RNA, to the interior of a cell in a mammal comprising the injection of an isolated polynucleotide into a muscle of the mammal where the polynucleotide is taken up by the cells of the muscle and exerts a therapeutic effect on the mammal. The method can be used to deliver a therapeutic polypeptide to the cells of the mammal, to provide an immune response upon in vivo translation of the polynucleotide, to deliver antisense polynucleotides, to deliver receptors to the cells of the mammal or to provide transitory gene therapy.
Type: Grant
Filed: January 26, 1995
Date of Patent: December 31, 1996
Assignees: Vical Incorporated, Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation
Inventors: Philip L. Felgner, Jon A. Wolff, Gary H. Rhodes, Robert W. Malone, Dennis A. Carson
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-w-malone ”
Sounds to me like he was an investor of the technology. Not that he should admit to having any responsibility for the C-19 jab. Yet I think he should be quite qualified to opine on the subject. Hmmm, why didn’t Wikipedia mention his patents.
You are not so good at reading and understanding, or you like to read selectively. But that is nothing new, TruthTwister RG.
While Malone promotes himself as an inventor of mRNA vaccines,[1][7] credit for the distinction is more often given to the lead authors on the major papers he contributed to (such as Felgner and Wolff), later advances by Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman,[3][19] or Moderna co-founder Derrick Rossi.[13] Ultimately, mRNA vaccines were the decades-long result of the contributions of hundreds of researchers, including Malone.[3][20][21] In April 2022, Davey Alba, writing for The New York Times, said that “[w]hile he was involved in some early research into the technology, his role in its creation was minimal at best”, citing “half a dozen Covid experts and researchers, including three who worked closely with Dr. Malone.”[7]
By the way: A patent application does not prove that the presented method or device actually works and can be implemented in the real world at some point. It is merely a legal and administrative act.
The term patent application refers to the legal and administrative proceedings of requesting the issuance of a patent for an invention, as well as to the physical document and content of the description and claims of the invention, including its procedural paper work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_application
@RPGNo1
Geeze, you accuse me of not reading and not understanding….did you read the link ?
The header clearly says;
“Patents by Inventor Robert W. Malone”
…and each patent listed clearly says… type: Grant. Only the first one listed indicates it as an application, the other eight listed were granted.