Vaccine hesitancy has become a threat to public health, especially as it is a phenomenon that has also been observed among healthcare professionals. In this study, an international team of researchers analyzed the relationship between endorsement of so-called alternative medicine (SCAM) and vaccination attitudes and behaviors among healthcare professionals, using a cross-sectional sample of physicians with vaccination responsibilities from four European countries: Germany, Finland, Portugal, and France (total N = 2,787).
The results suggest that, in all the participating countries, SCAM endorsement is associated with lower frequency of vaccine recommendation, lower self-vaccination rates, and being more open to patients delaying vaccination, with these relationships being mediated by distrust in vaccines. A latent profile analysis revealed that a profile characterized by higher-than-average SCAM endorsement and lower-than-average confidence and recommendation of vaccines occurs, to some degree, among 19% of the total sample, although these percentages varied from one country to another: 23.72% in Germany, 17.83% in France, 9.77% in Finland, and 5.86% in Portugal.
The authors concluded that these results constitute a call to consider health care professionals’ attitudes toward SCAM as a factor that could hinder the implementation of immunization campaigns.
In my view, this is a very important paper. It shows what we on this blog have discussed often before: there is an association between SCAM and vaccination hesitancy. The big question is: what is the nature of this association. There are several possibilities:
- It could be coincidental. I think this is most unlikely; too many entirely different investigations have shown a link.
- It could mean that people start endorsing SCAM because they are critical about vaccination.
- It could be that people are critical about vaccination because they are proponents of SCAM.
- Finally, it could be that some people have a mind-set that renders them simultaneously hesitant about vaccination and fans of SCAM.
This study, like most of the other investigationson this subject, was not desighned to find out which possibility is most likely. I suspect that the latter two explanations apply both to some extend. The authors of this study argue that that, “from a theoretical point of view, this situation may be explicable by reasons that are both implicit (i.e., CAM would fit better with certain worldviews and ideological standpoints that conflict with the epistemology and values that underlies scientific knowledge) and explicit (i.e., some CAM techniques are doctrinally opposed to the use of vaccines). Although we have outlined these potential explanations for the observed relationships, more research is needed to better understand the underlying mechanisms”.
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This is no mystery, the covid-vaccines *are* a scam:
https://www.globaltruth.network/health.html
The true mystery, to me, is how people like you can remain so impervious to the facts.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
‘Global Truth Network’
And yes, as the name already suggests, this Web site is one big sh*theap of lies … Literally EVERY ‘fact’ about COVID they present is completely wrong. As is anything they say about climate change and lots of other stuff.
Yup, this is truly a Web site for the stupid, the gullible and pathological denialists.
Richard Rasker on Saturday 19 August 2023 at 14:05 said:
“…Literally EVERY ‘fact’ about COVID they present is completely wrong…”
Yeah, right…
Here is Moderna CEO Stéphane Bance, likewise saying that kids are *less* likely to suffer myocarditis after taking the covid-vaccine (02:30):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvUa-wgPOJs
What do you think? Is $400,000.000 another “helper” to believe in this lie?
@Old Bob
… when compared to unvaccinated kids who get a COVID infection. So yes, this is in fact a true statement.
I must admit that haven’t watched the video as that is with 99.99% certainty a waste of time, given that you come up with it. However I bet that it is NOT an unedited statement from Mr Bance, but rather a bunch of lies from some antivaxx imbecile spinning Bance’s words.
Don’t read this:
https://frontline.news/post/three-pilots-die-suddenly-in-one-week
for once, I followed your advice – thanks
Pfooie … another fart from Old Bob …
Yes, and …? Every week, about 50 airline pilots die, and quite a few of those no doubt without prior warning. Irregular work schedules, frequent time zone shifts and work stress are known risk factors for cardiovascular disease, among other things.
Could you please tell us the reason for pointing out a couple of completely normal deaths?
Type:
airline pilots who died suddenly
Into Google and
The top search results, 3 and 4 give:
6 years ago “In a very rare incident…” (one dies):
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5kc8n9
8 years ago (one dies)::
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/american-airlines-pilot-dies-mid-flight-co-pilot-lands-jet-solo/
Which is how most folks imagine the rate to be i.e. very rare, but lower down, searches 7 and 8 repeat 4 of the recent cases, (19) in the above link:
17th August 2023 (three die in one week):
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/shifting-gears/269348-three-sudden-pilot-deaths-last-three-days.html
17th August 2023 (one dies):
https://www.thestreet.com/travel/latam-airlines-pilot-dies-during-flight
if you don’t stop posing utter BS, I will!
OB says:
OB,
The real reason why pilots die suddenly is that a lot of them are alien abductees. During abduction they are poked, prodded and tested on by aliens and the stress of that experience causes premature and sudden death. Typically, they don’t remember the adduction experience as their memories are wiped before they are released. There are many such cases, just search for “pilot alien abduction”.
Moral of the story is: It’s not the vaccines, stupid!
@Old Bob
There are some 330.000 pilots worldwide. Simple statistics dictates that every year, many dozens to hundreds of them will die on the job(*) – even with regular health check-ups, simply because those check-ups don’t pick up things like imminent cardiac arrest or aneurysms. So no, three pilots dying in one week is nothing remarkable.
What IS remarkable though, is your extreme stupidity. I mean, even if those three deaths would be uncommon, then that does NOT automatically mean that COVID vaccines had anything to do with it.
Not only is there no indication whatsoever that COVID vaccines cause deaths in any significant numbers (I bet you can’t even come up with just one documented, confirmed case), I’m pretty certain that you also didn’t even look for any cause of death of those pilots. You simply regurgitated this utter crap suggesting that vaccines were to blame, for no sane reason whatsoever.
*: And of course many more while not working. Pilots are just as susceptible to illness and death as other people.
Improbable things happen all the time
“That a particular specified event or coincidence will occur is very unlikely. That some astonishing unspecified events will occur is certain. That is why remarkable coincidences are noted in hindsight, not predicted with foresight.”
— David G. Myers
“You know, the most amazing thing happened to me tonight. I was coming here, on the way to the lecture, and I came in through the parking lot. And you won’t believe what happened. I saw a car with the license plate ARW 357. Can you imagine? Of all the millions of license plates in the state, what was the chance I would see that particular one tonight? Amazing!”
— Richard Feynman
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Improbable_things_happen
Richard Rasker on Wednesday 23 August 2023 at 16:31 said:
“…(I bet you can’t even come up with just one documented, confirmed case)…”
[quote – 19th August 2023]
“Coroner rules AstraZeneca vaccine should be added to death certificate of ‘fit and healthy’ psychologist, 32, who suffered blood clot to the brain ten days after receiving the jab”:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11990195/Psychologist-32-died-complications-AstraZeneca-Covid-vaccine-inquest-rules.html
[end of quote]
OB,
Alien abductees can die of heart problems too: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ufo-captive/mississippi-man-who-said-he-was-abducted-by-aliens-dies-idUSTRE78C66R20110913
I think all those deaths that are being blamed on vaccines are alien abduction related. Get your story straight, otherwise you look like a fool!
“17th August 2023 (three [airline pilots] die in one week)”
Global all-cause mortality is circa:
• 2 per second
• 164 000 per day
• 1.2 million per week
• 60 million per year
From the MailOnline article that Old Bob quoted, which is not about airline pilots who died suddenly:
“Over 3 billion doses of the vaccine have been supplied to more than 180 countries and, according to independent estimates, [AstraZeneca] Vaxzevria helped to save more than six million lives worldwide in the first year of availability alone (December 2020 to December 2021).”
I’m not endorsing the source, I’m pointing out the quote mining deployed by Old Bob.
@Old Bob
Congratulations! You just posted your very first truly evidence-supported comment!(*)
Now comes the hard part: keeping up this modus operandi. Yes, I know, the craving to return to the warm, fuzzy embrace of the sewers of the Internet can be almost irresistible, but you must be strong! So research any bit of news on its veracity BEFORE posting it online.
*: On this occasion, I’ll ignore the still awful choice of news source, as well as the fact that the AZ vaccine was abandoned almost right away, and that the other vaccines do NOT have this (still rare) side effect.
@Richard Rasker – Whereas you no longer read; likewise the ONS no longer reports:
The Office for No More Statistics on Deaths by Vaccination Status:
https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/the-office-for-no-more-statistics
medical students are able to refute vaccine hesitancy arguments.
one example:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7223449/pdf/508_2020_Article_1655.pdf
WolfgangM on Saturday 19 August 2023 at 13:15 said
“medical students are able to refute vaccine hesitancy arguments…”:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7223449/pdf/508_2020_Article_1655.pdf
“
[quote page 243]
“Introduction
The European Pharmacopoiea defines vaccines for human use as follows: “Vaccines for human use are preparations containing antigens capable of inducing a specific and active immunity in man, against an infective agent or the toxin or antigen elaborated by it” [1]. Medicinal products sometimes named as therapeutic vaccines do not comply with this legal definition.”
[end of quote]
E.g. the covid-”vaccines” (this pdf was dated 2019, before the FDA started backsliding the definition of “vaccine”).
[Quote page, 244]
“Assertion
Vaccine hesitants argue that influenza vaccination is of marginal efficacy and harmful due to the ovalbumin content.”
[end of quote]
What no mention of thimerosal? – I did a global search and nothing beginning with “thim…” exists in the entire pdf! And these guys claim to have met “…hardcore antivaxxer[s]…”!
It’s a European document…Not an American one…
Do I need to explain to you why that is significant?
Not to mention that it isn’t used in most, if any, vaccines in the US or the EU.
@Murmur
… and not to mention that its safety was ultimately proven almost two decades ago, more or less by antivaxxers themselves: for many years, they had been screaming bloody murder about how thimerosal caused all sorts of horrible problems in children – of course without providing any evidence to that extent.
In 2001, they got what they wanted: it was removed from almost all childhood vaccines in the US, and after 2001, only few children still received vaccines containing thimerosal.
In the years following, the health effects of thimerosal and its removal from childhood vaccines became very clear: none whatsoever. There was no sudden change in children’s health at all, and thimerosal clearly was not the cause of any health problems.
Antivaxxers being antivaxxers of course didn’t admit to being wrong all those years, and simply moved on to demonizing the next vaccine ingredient on the list, i.e. aluminum-based adjuvants. Because no matter how often and thoroughly vaccine safety has been proven, Vaccines are Bad, period.
I would expect that the reason will be different for different people but for those I have engaged with your 4th possibility seems to fit. The mind set seems to be one which places ‘ancient wisdom’ and the ‘natural’ above science. Chuck in a big dose of ‘spiritual’ and anything goes.
I live in an area with dozens of anthroposophical groups so this mix of beliefs is familiar – way before Covid came along we could proudly boast outbreaks of measles and meningitis thanks to their activities. Even so it was a shock to see many of them embracing climate change denial seemingly in contradiction of their love of the natural. It seems that as science conflicts with everything they believe then if science says climate change is real then it must be false. Particularly if acting upon it might restrict their personal liberty in any way.
This feels like a quickly growing group. Just since 2015 they spread like a virus.
5. hesitant don’t want to be a guinea pig for vaccine just developed, wait it out for further research
I confess, have gotten 4 shots for covid, initital and 3 boosters. I decided to be the guinea pig in family.
Don’t think my family will partake with covid vaccine anymore. I have been sick since, I cannot mow my lawn without getting winded. My health since has scared them to death. I regret doing this experiment. I know ancedotal. I did give mybody for science, regret it.
Hi JIm, if this is any encouragement: my wife’s tinnitus lasted until last Christmas 2022 when it suddenly vanished one morning nearly two years later.
It vanished so suddenly, that she was unsure if it had really gone! For the first half hour! But it had, and never came back, so keep up your hope, the body *does* have amazing power of recovery (but her other issues, e.g. balancing, come and go randomly).
by your logic: Christmas spirit is proven to cure tinnitus!!!
I became that 1% who got adverse effects, it has scared my family to death. I do believe in vaccines, just wish I waited this one out.
@jim
Then you would have run a substantial risk of becoming that 1% who died from COVID. And of course we can only believe you on your word that you suffered serious adverse effects from the vaccine – you wouldn’t be the first antivaxxer to lie about things like this, and your other comments certainly paint you as an antivaxxer.
In fact, they even remind me of RG, who is not allowed to post here until he apologizes about calling yours truly a fascist.
How empathetic is that? You are not a doctor are you? Paid by government?
Just wow, I am sorry for your ilk. You say I am a fascist and antivaxxer, do you even know what those words mean? What a dummy. Do you not understand english, 4 shots? I am fully vaccinated, to every disease. Man, the people on this blog. Get Vaccinated people.
“@jim
just wish I waited this one out.
Then you would have run a substantial risk of becoming that 1% who died from COVID. And of course we can only believe you on your word that you suffered serious adverse effects from the vaccine – you wouldn’t be the first antivaxxer to lie about things like this, and your other comments certainly paint you as an antivaxxer.
In fact, they even remind me of RG, who is not allowed to post here until he apologizes about calling yours truly a fascist.”
nobody calls anyone a fascist on my blog!
Richard did not call you a fascist; read it again, please.
You are correct, my apologies. I did read it wrong.
I am very pro-vaccine, regardless.
@jim
– I did not call anyone a fascist; this RG person called me a fascist, IIRC because I pointed out that no single human freedom is absolute, and that one person’s freedom ends where another person’s harm begins (which I think is quite a sensible position).
– Yes, you are vaccinated. Yet your comments have a clear antivaccine tone – which rather resembles the modus operandi of this RG person. You and this RG person are also the only ones I know to have regrets about their COVID vaccination. This strikes me as odd, especially as this RG person is known to have evaded previous bans by adopting a new nickname. Hence my less than fully trusting demeanour.
I hope this clarifies things a bit.
I do endorse everyone getting a vaccine for Covid. Some of us will just not react to it in a positive way, very minute. The endgame is better for mankind.
Thank you for being real, most people would just block me. I was wrong and you gave me a chance. I admire that. Thanks Doc!
@Richard
I do not understand you, you keep saying I am an antivaxx, what gives? I am totally for vaccines, just pointing out I was harmed by last one. I totally agree that people stay up to date with their vaccines. I do and just got my shingles do to age.
@jim
Sorry if I was a bit unclear. We had this antivaxx troll ‘RG’ who claimed to be vaccinated as well as pro-vaccine, while at the same time spewing an endless stream of antivaccine propaganda. After being banned for calling me a fascist and refusing to apologize, he tried to continue his trolling by posting under different aliases.
Initially, I wasn’t sure if ‘jim’ wasn’t one of those aliases, which of course also coloured my perception of your mentioning of adverse effects.
But you convinced me now that you are indeed not him, so my apologies for my previous comments in which I expressed my suspicions.
@Richard
Thank you, that is very kind of you to apologize and I accept.
When I read the comments from @OldBob and @jim I am always reminded of the following scene from the film “Billy Madison”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
😉
@RPG
Your response deserves a big “nothing from me.”
Oh wow, first lady is double vaccinated, I did it four times per guidelines. I feel jipped, never again will I take this vacciine. You scientists are two-faced. The 4th one put me in a bad place. Why did you tell us to take this shit if don’t work, why is first lady not 4 shots in like they told us to do. This is effed up!
Your vaccine is not science, it is a crapshoot and I feel you screwed me over. You fuckers need to mow my lawn since I cannot after 4 shots. Jerks
Hi Jim, there seems to be hope here:
First-Ever Spike Detox Protocol Appears in US Medical Journal: Here’s How You Can Get Better:
https://vigilantnews.com/post/first-ever-spike-detox-protocol-appears-in-medical-journal-heres-how-you-can-get-better
“the protocol has not yet been scientifically validated through double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trials”
YOU ARE PROMOTING PURE BS AGAIN, OB!
@Old Bob
Great! So this spike detox protocol helps people recover from infection with the SARS-COV2 virus? Because such an infection causes massive amounts of spike protein to be released inside the body.
Richard Rasker on Tuesday 05 September 2023 at 09:16 said:
“Great! So this spike detox protocol helps people recover from infection with the SARS-COV2 virus? Because such an infection causes massive amounts of spike protein to be released inside the body.”
The natural infection’s spike is rapidly destroyed by the body’s defenses and so the manufactured-vaccine-spike has its uridine swapped for pseudouridine to evade instant-destruction, hence the long-lasting effects of the vaccine’s version of the spike.
OB,
How much are you getting paid to promote Spike Detox Protocol ?
@Old Bob
Sorry, but once again you show that you are just an antivaccine imbecile who doesn’t think for himself, and only regurgitates the crap from other antivaccine idiots like McCullough.
Viral spike protein is present in the body just as long as the vaccine protein, simply because it is continuously created as long as the virus is active and present, which may be up to two weeks – and it is present in MUCH larger quantities at that. And neither type of spike protein is harmful in any way, apart from eliciting an immune response.
McCullough just shows himself to be a fraud and a grifter who tries to scare people into buying his useless ‘detox’ rubbish. And you apparently swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
Richard Rasker on Tuesday 05 September 2023 at 14:34 said:
“…Viral spike protein is present in the body just as long as the vaccine protein, simply because it is continuously created as long as the virus is active and present, which may be up to two weeks…”
Hence there is no such thing as long-covid from natural infection?
“…And neither type of spike protein is harmful in any way, apart from eliciting an immune response.”
Incorrect: spike-protein *is* the toxic part (e.g. the cause of myo/pericarditis etc).
Becore covid, vaccines were made by trying to eliminate the toxic parts of the pathogen, leaving only the harmless to be injected, to avoid accidentally infecting the vaccinee with the disease itself.
But with covid, the vaccine reproduces *only* the toxic part without any other parts of the virus, hence the innate part of the immune system is bypassed, and only the adaptive part is triggered, which, if the vaccinee has not already been infected naturally, can lead to all sorts of “unforseen” problems (not “unforeseen” by e.g. Geert Vanden Bossche etc).
Also::
1 Natural infection infers an innate response in the mucosa and epithelial cells first, whereas…
2 The vaccine bypasses the mucosa and epithelium by direct injection, inside the castle walls as, it were.
In 1) there is the normal innate response conferring immunity to the current variant and to all other variants (because the full extent of the virus is available for recognition to the immune system, not just the spike alone but all the other parts of the virus), meaning e.g. that mutation of the spike will not matter because other parts of the virus will still be recognised
In 2) there is the limited response only to the spike (that will then mutate and be only partially recognised. That is a far greater error (than to be unrecognised completely) because a weak-binding-antibody pressurises immune escape of the spike itself which is likely catastrophic when these vaccines are administered world-wide *during* a pandemic, see here (Geert Vanden Bossche’s The Inescapable Immune Escape Pandemic):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inescapable-Immune-Escape-Pandemic-ebook/dp/B0BW2HW731
occasionally, I am tempted to respond to your BS;
then I read your comment again and realise it is too absurd and does not merit a reply.
@Old Bob
You really should keep your dumb mouth shut, because as I said, all you do is regurgitate the crap from other people who do not know what they are talking about either.
Spike protein is NOT the cause of myocarditis or other health problems related to either COVID-19 or vaccination. (And incidentally, getting COVID-19 itself comes with a 20-fold higher risk of myocarditis compared to vaccination.) The exact cause is not yet clear, but the culprit seems to be an inflammation response, triggered by the immune reaction to the virus or the vaccine.
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/qanda-what-causes-rare-instances-of-myocarditis-after-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/ :
No mention of spike protein.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/myocarditis-covid-vaccination-immune-inflammation-rcna82681 :
“The researchers found no evidence that antibodies that target the virus’s spike protein played a role in heart inflammation.”
The other crap you regurgitated is not much better – Geert Vanden Bossche has been widely criticized for spreading nonsense and FUD about COVID vaccines.
Richard Rasker on Tuesday 05 September 2023 at 18:11
“Spike protein is NOT the cause of myocarditis or other health problems related to either COVID-19 or vaccination… The exact cause is not yet clear…”
Your are certain it is “…NOT…” the spike and yet you don’t know the cause? But you continue with:
“…but the culprit seems to be an inflammation response, triggered by the immune reaction to the virus or the vaccine.”
Because you read this:
[quote from your first link above]
Iwasaki: Autoimmune-related myocarditis is more difficult to treat. It would be more chronic,
because once you trigger an autoimmune response, it’s very difficult to shut it down. For example, if you develop auto antibodies against components of the cardiac muscle, it’s difficult to get rid of those B cells that are secreting those antibodies, creating chronic disease. Whereas inflammation-induced myocarditis is more transient—we actually found that inflammation as well as the immune cell types go back to normal after patients recover. So we know that it’s a resolving kind of myocarditis. We don’t want to diminish patients’ suffering, but this kind of myocarditis is better than other types.
[end of quote]
Damn right “…it’s difficult to get rid of those B cells…”! “…creating chronic disease…” – so what is this “autoimmune response” that is so problematic? An immune response to one’s own cells. So why is that happening? Because the vaccine is *designed* to induce one’s own cells to make spike, a non-self that will be attacked *because* it is non-self i.e. autoimmune disease.
So why is this autoimmune disease “…chronic…” because the vaccine’s design is persistent (downregulation of TL3, TL4 and TL7 and replacement of uridine with pseudouridine).
That bombshell: “…we actually found that inflammation as well as the immune cell types go back to normal after patients recover.” is left as an exercise for the reader (hint: natural infection)(hint: uridine instead of pseudouridine).
“In psychology, an idée fixe is a preoccupation of mind believed to be firmly resistant to any attempt to modify it, a fixation.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idée_fixe_(psychology)
“Belief perseverance (also known as conceptual conservatism) is maintaining a belief despite new information that firmly contradicts it. Such beliefs may even be strengthened when others attempt to present evidence debunking them, a phenomenon known as the backfire effect.
For example, in a 2014 article in The Atlantic, journalist Cari Romm describes a study involving vaccination hesitancy. In the study, the subjects expressed their concerns of the side effects of flu shots. After being told that the vaccination was completely safe, they became even less eager to accept them. This new knowledge pushed them to distrust the vaccine even more, reinforcing the idea that they already had before.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance
“When arguing with a fervent believer in something paranormal, supernatural, or anti‑scientific, I sometimes wonder what I could have written or said that would have been more persuasive. Other times, I realize there is no weapon in my arsenal that could pierce the belief armor worn by my antagonist.”
— Robert T. Carroll, Belief Armor
@Old Bob
Just keep typing letters and words into your computer keyboard. According to the infinite monkey theorem, someday in the very distant future it MAY become an understandable text.
@Old Bob
I’m so sorry, I failed to appreciate your level of intelligence. I’ll adjust my language accordingly:
COVID-19 = Bad, kills people, also causes lots of health problems.
COVID-19 vaccine = Good, saves lives, does NOT kill people and causes no significant damage.
You = dumb@ss, not using brain, just parroting the antivaccine nonsense from other dumb@sses.
I hope this clears things up.
Surprise, surprise, nature knows best:
Natural Immunity Wins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiA1S6NvCo4
surprise, surprise, BO still does not know what evidence is.
OB is an embodiment of truthiness.
“Truthiness is the belief or assertion that a particular statement is true based on the intuition or perceptions of some individual or individuals, without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.[1][2] Truthiness can range from ignorant assertions of falsehoods to deliberate duplicity or propaganda intended to sway opinions.[3][4] ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness
@Old Bob
Sure, it’s thoroughly possible that surviving an infectious disease results in better immunity from future infections than vaccination.
BUT IF LIVING THROUGH THAT INFECTIOUS DISEASE COMES WITH A SIGNIFICANT RISK OF SERIOUS HARM AND EVEN DEATH, THEN ONLY A TOTAL IDIOT WOULD PREFER GETTING THE DISEASE OVER GETTING VACCINATED.
My gawd … just when I think that you can’t possibly come up with an even more idiotic comment than the last one, you still manage to prove me wrong …
@Old Bob
Surprise, surprise!
John Campbell is a retired nurse educator. No virologist, no epidemiologist, no immunologist, no scientist at all. He has been caught many times spreading misinformation and lies about Corona and vaccination on Youtube.
This has been explained many times on this blog, but like a little kid, you put your fingers in your ears and sing “lalalala”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)
Richard Rasker on Wednesday 06 September 2023 at 20:31 said:
“…BUT IF LIVING THROUGH THAT INFECTIOUS DISEASE COMES WITH A SIGNIFICANT RISK OF SERIOUS HARM AND EVEN DEATH, THEN ONLY A TOTAL IDIOT WOULD PREFER GETTING THE DISEASE OVER GETTING VACCINATED.”
No, the first rule is: *never* mass-vaccinate during a pandemic. Always vaccinate *before* an outbreak when there is enough time to establish immunity *before* an outbreak. E.g. flu shots are given *before* the flu season.
When you give mass-vaccination during a pandemic, you are increasing population-level-immune-pressure to favour immune-escape-variants especially when the vaccine only protects against an extinct variant.
@Old Bob
So now you’re even making up ‘rules’ for how to handle viral pandemics? On second thought, this must have been dreamed up by another total imbecile, since you have no original thoughts and only spread other people’s crap as a sort of hippo-by-proxy.
Without mass vaccination, COVID-19 deaths would have been twice to three times the current death toll, not to mention things like long covid and other non-lethal but very serious problems.
What a total load of nonsense (Campbell again?). The EXACT same thing happens when people develop immunity through surviving the infection. It does not matter HOW people develop immunity; the sheer fact THAT they develop immunity favours mutated viral strains that evade that immunity – and that is what we see happening all the time, with flu as well as COVID-19.
Once again: getting infected is FAR more harmful than getting vaccinated – and once again, your absolutely staggering stupidity has made our world a worse place.
Oh, wait, I already found the source of your latest crapfest: a ‘warning’ from antivaxxer Geert Vanden Bossche for ‘catastrophic consequences’ from mass vaccination – a warning which
1. is 2.5 years old now,
2. has never come true,
3. totally goes against everything we know about immunology, and
4. has been thoroughly debunked almost immediately.
In other words: you’re posting long-outdated and long-debunked nonsense, for no other reason than to keep your deluge of antivaccine crap flowing. If this were my blog, I would have blocked you by now.
Richard Rasker on Thursday 07 September 2023 at 10:12 said:
“…What a total load of nonsense (Campbell again?). The EXACT same thing happens when people develop immunity through surviving the infection…”
No, the covid-vaccine only stimulates an immune reaction against the spike, ignoring all the other components of the whole virus.
“…It does not matter HOW people develop immunity; the sheer fact THAT they develop immunity favours mutated viral strains that evade that immunity…”
No, the mutated variants escape immunity, that’s why Biden, Trudeau etc caught covid multiple times after multiple covid-vaccinations.
“Once again: getting infected is FAR more harmful than getting vaccinated…”
So why does life thrive, for billions of years, without vaccination?
“…Without mass vaccination, COVID-19 deaths would have been twice to three times the current death toll…”
You can produce any results you like by modelling: you get Neil Furguson etc. to guess how many would have died, and then declare that that many have been saved! The only way to make any estimate of covid deaths between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated is to do just that.
@Old Bob
False. False. False.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine
B*llshit.
Crap.
Utter nonsense.
Richard Rasker on Thursday 07 September 2023 at 11:40 said:
“Oh, wait, I already found the source of your latest crapfest: a ‘warning’ from antivaxxer Geert Vanden Bossche…”
No shit Sherlock, you could have saved yourself the trouble by reading my posts e.g.
[quote Old Bob above]
Old Bob on Tuesday 05 September 2023 at 16:00 said:
…see here (Geert Vanden Bossche’s The Inescapable Immune Escape Pandemic):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inescapable-Immune-Escape-Pandemic-ebook/dp/B0BW2HW731
[end of quote]
RPGNo1 on Thursday 07 September 2023 at 13:05 said
“…False. False. False… B*llshit… Crap… Utter nonsense.”
Tell that to Megyn Kelly:
Megyn Kelly Publicly Says She REGRETS Taking the COVID Vaccine, Suspects It Caused New Medical Issue:
https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/megyn-kelly-publicly-says-she-regrets
Tell that to Nicole Messina:
BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccination in children alters cytokine responses to heterologous pathogens and Toll-like receptor agonists:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2023.1242380/full
why don’t you tell them, if you respect these people?
Old Bob,
I doubt you are that extraordinarily stupid to spend a lot of time on here posting their crap without getting paid a single penny. Therefore, I ask again: How much are those antivaxx folks paying you to spread their BS on the internet?
@Old Bob
Megyn Kelly is a journalist who believes that her recent ‘autoimmune issue’ (apparently something like rheumatoid arthritis) was caused by COVID vaccination. I think she is wrong, as there seems to be no unexpected increase in RA incidence over the past years. It’s simply the classic Post Hoc fallacy: she got vaccinated, and then she got a health issue, with no connection between the two. Millions of people got vaccinated, and then developed health issues some time later, without any causal link.
Good. Now tell us in your own words what this means, what the relevance to children’s health of these findings may be, and how powerful this study is. And while you’re at it, also explain why this study does NOT find that COVID vaccination is harmful to children.
@Old Bob
You do not understand what this statement means. You just picked it out because it sounds very meaningful and has something to do with “vaccination” and “children” and “Corona” and and because you think it supports your twisted worldview and conspiracy theories.
I am certainly not wrong in my assumption when I classify your school education, including science, as suboptimal. 😀
Richard Rasker on Thursday 07 September 2023 at 22:03 said:
“…Good. Now tell us in your own words what this means, what the relevance to children’s health of these findings may be, and how powerful this study is. And while you’re at it, also explain why this study does NOT find that COVID vaccination is harmful to children.”
No, this study shows the insane winding down of the immune system – look at figure 3, now these vaccinated children are *more* vulnerable to all those diseases *because* the mRNA technology *deliberately* downregulates the child’s immune system to stop it destroying the vaccine’s products – to protect itself, the vaccine leaves the child vulnerable to all those diseases.
No wonder there is excess mortality in the highly vaccinated.
*sigh*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._McCullough
Old BoB once again: He gets excited about a fraudulent pseudoexpert and his b*llshit.
@Old Bob
NO, IT DOES NOT SHOW ANYTHING OF THE KIND.
How do I know this? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO DID THE STUDY, including Nicole Messina whom you mentioned by name, TELL US SO:
Now listen up here, because the following is about YOU and other rabid antivaxxers who misinterpret, misrepresent and generally lie about vaccines:
In other words: you are just brainlessly parroting antivaxx lies made up by other dimwits, as usual. And FYI: overall, you probably posted well over a hundred pieces of antivaxx rubbish on this blog, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE. But no matter how often this is pointed out to you, the lies just keep on coming …
If only they had published that disclaimer with their original study, and everyone would have understood it differently, well at least the sheeples…
But the truth is out, and now they have to retract it… too late… Oh No! Jeffrey Jaxen reported it on theHighWire 26 hours ago… they will lose their jobs for not following FauccianScience ™ . Whatever were they thinking! Especially that title, as soon they wrote “…alters cytokine responses to heterologous pathogens and Toll-like receptor agonists” their path was set and their doom sealed.
Alternatively, they are heroes who have jeopardized, their careers by doing ordinary science and noticed that “…alters cytokine responses to heterologous pathogens and Toll-like receptor agonists” as a problem – one [deleted expletive] problem – but scientists keep control of their emotions and language.
Old Bob said:
As a reader of scientific literature, it is YOUR responsibility to acquire necessary background knowledge to properly understand what was written. It is NOT the researcher’s responsibility to help you understand or add disclaimers ahead of time. They can’t predict every which way their paper will be construed and misrepresented by loons. Besides, the scientific papers are targeted towards experts and folks with background knowledge in that field. They are not for general consumption by the public. Topics such as vaccines and immunology are immensely complex and even experts tend not to agree on everything. Therefore, we go with the majority consensus on the topic, not the contrarian loon who disagrees because he/she doesn’t understand the implications of the research and/or benefit from disagreeing with majority consensus.
What is the Highwire?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7648494/
Who is Del Bigtree?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_Bigtree
So, @OldDelusionalBob. You are once again spreading propaganda and misinformation from anti-vaxxers and corona deniers. Why am I not surprised?
@RPGNo1
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-highwire/
Says it all, really.
Richard Rasker on Sunday 10 September 2023 at 06:36 said:
“https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-highwire/
Says it all, really.”
I try to read it but a paywall pops up 🙁
Alternatively theHighWire’s ICAN is free and actively forces the government to come clean::
https://icandecide.org/
It doesn’t take much to produce misinformation. Therefore, it tends to be free. OTH verifying and invalidating said misinformation costs time and money, especially considering how much of it is out there.
@Richard Rasker
Muchas gracias 🙂
jim says:
Fox news says otherwise:
Bolding mine
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/first-lady-jill-biden-tests-positive-covid-second-time
@“I am totally for vaccines”-jim,
Either you are lying thru your teeth or you dont understand the meaning of “twice boosted”. Either way you are just another dumb antivaxxer.
Hi Jim, check this out, it is very encouraging report for folks with long-covid:
https://fullmeasure.news/
(the video, if no longer current, is “the clot factor” – scroll down to find it).
The Clot Factor sounds like a TV game show for people like Old Bob; in total contrast to The Krypton Factor.
@Pete Attkins
On The Clot Factor, contestants are asked to chose between getting exposed to the latest variant of SARS-CoV2 “no worse than flu” virus or get vaccinated against SARS-CoV2 with the most recent version of mRNA “will make the vaccinated drop dead like flies” vaccine.
Pete Attkins on Monday 11 September 2023 at 14:46 said:
“The Clot Factor sounds like a TV game show for people like Old Bob; in total contrast to The Krypton Factor.”
How about the Moderna Shot of The Day…:
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/novak-djokovic-wins-us-open
…being won by Novak Djokovic 🙂
You, Old Bob, are the world master of hiding what you are good at — especially from yourself.
That means Moderna made money off an anti-vaxxer and most likely gave him a cut of that money. In other words, a normal day for a corporation. On the other hand, there is Old Bob gloating about nothing significant. sigh!
Where is the evidence for myocarditis from the vaccine?
Here it is:
https://merylnass.substack.com/p/im-saving-this-for-when-we-get-into
some day, you should learn what evidence is!!!
@Edzard
Also note that Meryl Nass has had her medical license suspended by her state medical board for COVID misinformation, and for prescribing ineffective medicines (hydroxychloroquine) to a patient, and then falsifying medical records in order to obfuscate this fact.
And now she tries to pull a ‘Donald Trump’ by suing the medical board while drawing as much public attention as possible, claiming among other things that her right to free speech has been violated.
Not a very reliable source of medical information, in other words. But what else can we expect from our resident troll …
Nattokinase: COVID-19 spike protein “detox” quackery, now with bromelain
By Orac, 2023-07-31, Respectful Insolence
‘Dr. Peter McCullough once again promotes a “nattokinase”-based “detox” from spike protein (now with bromelain), not not from COVID‑19, but from the vaccines. Of course.’
https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2023/07/31/nattokinase-covid-19-spike-protein-detox-quackery-now-with-bromelain/
Baby Who Died 34 Hours After Vaccines Had Toxic Level of Aluminum in His Blood, Report Confirms:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/maine-baby-sawyer-vaccine-death-aluminum/