As we have discussed previously, there is an outbreak of measles affecting unvaccinated children in the US. In an attempt to reassure the US public, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., said that the U.S. Department of the Health and Human Services is watching the Texas measles outbreak. “It’s not unusual,” he claimed when pressed by reporters. “We have measles outbreaks every year.” This, of course, is quite misleading.
Yes, there are regular outbreaks, but they are hardly comparable to the current one. The last person to succumb to measles in the US died in 2015 during an outbreak in Clallam County, Washington state, in which only a couple dozen people were infected. Measles was then identified as the cause of death of a woman. The autopsy found that she had “several other health conditions and was on medications that contributed to a suppressed immune system,” the US Health Department said at the time.
Kennedy misstated a number of further facts:
- Kennedy claimed that most of the patients who had been hospitalized were there only for “quarantine.” Dr. Lara Johnson at Covenant, the hospital in question, contested that characterization. “We don’t hospitalize patients for quarantine purposes,” said Johnson, the chief medical officer.
- Kennedy claimed that two people had died of measles. Yet Andrew Nixon, the spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services clarified that, at the time, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has identified only one death.
Gaines County has reported 80 measles cases so far. It has one of the highest rates of school-aged children in Texas who have opted out of at least one required vaccine, with nearly 14% skipping a required dose last school year.
Some of the hospitalised patients’ respiratory issues progressed to pneumonia, and they needed an oxygen tube to breathe, Johnson explained. Others had to be intubated, though Johnson declined to say how many. “Unfortunately, like so many viruses, there aren’t any specific treatments for measles,” she said. “What we’re doing is providing supportive care, helping support the patients as they hopefully recover.”
Last week, Trump seemed to buy into the already thoroughly debunked vaccines-cause-autism conspiracy that Kennedy famously has been promoting for years. Trump claimed that the Pennsylvania Dutch’s simplistic and unvaccinated lifestyle could be used as a potential model to avoid the disorder.
Meanwhile, multiple vaccine projects have been stopped by Kennedy. He paused a multimillion-dollar project to create a new Covid-19 vaccine in pill form on Tuesday. This project was a $460 million contract with Vaxart to develop a new Covid vaccine in pill form, with 10,000 people scheduled to begin clinical trials on Monday. Of that, $240 million was reportedly already authorized for preliminary research.
Furthermore, the FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, or VRBPAC, was scheduled to meet in March to discuss the strains that would be included in next season’s flu shot, but federal officials told the committee that the meeting was canceled, said committee member Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. Offit told NBC News that no explanation was given for the cancellation of the yearly spring meeting, which comes in the middle of a flu season in which 86 children and 19,000 adults have died, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In an email to NBC, Norman Baylor, a former director of the FDA’s Office of Vaccine Research and Review, said, “I’m quite shocked. As you know, the VRBPAC is critical for making the decision on strain selection for the next influenza vaccine season.”
Finally, an upcoming CDC vaccine advisory committee meeting was also postponed last week. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP, was scheduled to meet Feb. 26 through Feb. 28. The group of independent experts convenes three times a year on behalf of the CDC to weigh the pros and cons of newly approved or updated vaccines. The postponement will put Kennedy at odds with Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La., who is a doctor and the chair of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, which oversees HHS. Kennedy had promised Cassidy to give the Senate prior notice before making changes to certain vaccine programs. “If confirmed, he [Kennedy] will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices without change,” Cassidy said in a speech on the Senate floor supporting Kennedy’s HHS nomination earlier this month.
The dangerous mess the new US governement got itself into within days of alledgedly governing seems monsterous. It is hard to conclude that Kennedy is competent or has abandonned his longstanding anti-vax stance. He clearly does not persue a reasonable strategy to protect the US from outbreaks of infections, endemics or pandemics. On the contrary, he is playing fast and loose with the health of US citizens and. as a consequence, with the health of all of us.
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Thank YOU for verifying that the Texas hospital here seems to have killed these children. According to your article above, the head of this Texas hospital asserted, “Unfortunately, like so many viruses, there aren’t any specific treatments for measles.”
And yet, according to the New England Journal of Medicine, Vitamin A has clearly been shown: “Treatment with vitamin A reduces morbidity and mortality in measles, and all children with severe measles should be given vitamin A supplements, whether or not they are thought to have a nutritional deficiency.”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199007193230304
Are you having mental difficulties, Dana?
– “these children” – there was only one fatality!
– “kill” – they give supportive care which often includes vitamins!
– do you believe that vit A is a specific cure for the measles virus?
– the kids in the trial were 92% vit A-deficient; how do you know that the children in Texas are also?
– do you belive vit A helps in the absence of a deficiency?
I fear that you have lost the plot, my friend!
Edzie…First…thanx for correcting me…you’re right…there was ONE child’s death…and the media went literally wild about this, while at the same time ignoring the Adderal epidemic in children, let alone claiming that vaccines are the “”most tested” presently available but somehow ignoring the fact that few trials, if any these days, choose to use a real placebo (how can anyone call this “science” when there is no real control group?). It is extremely rare for people to know that vaccines are not tested with a placebo. I commonly ask people if they know this…and 99% or so do NOT know this. Do your own market research on this subject…it is fun.
Are you having difficulty reading what the New England Journal of Medicine wrote. Heck, I even quoted it directly. Their study showed benefit whether there was a nutriitonal deficiency or not.
And no, “support care” does NOT necessarily or consistently mean Vitamin A. IF they would have used it, they would have mentioned it…and if they did use it and not mention it, WHAT is THAT saying? I’ll tell you what it says IF they used Vitamin A and didn’t mention it…it means that the head of the Texas hospital has NO interest in encouraging people to even consider using vitamins (or anything but drugs). No big surprise.
But Edzie…you really need to make a better effort to read what is right in front of your nose…and to understand it.
THAT is what happens when you take too many of the Big Pharma meds for which you defend…
“92 percent of them had hyporetinemia”
hyporetinemia = low levels of retinol
retinol = derivate of Vitamin A
@Ullie
Donald? Is that you???
It has been explained to you many times before that
1. ALL vaccines HAVE at one point or other been been tested against placebo (i.e. you are lying), and
2. testing new/improved vaccines against placebo is not just unnecessary(*), it is extremely unethical, as it will kill people (i.e. you are an ignoranus for even proposing it).
3. testing a new/improved vaccine against an existing vaccine with a proven track record means that there IS a control group: the people who received the existing vaccine (i.e. you are lying again).
*: And, contrary what you suggest, ‘unnecessary’ does not mean that those vaccines are not tested at all, but merely that they are tested in other ways than double-blinded placebo-controlled trials. As mentioned, new vaccines for a particular condition are mostly tested against existing vaccines with an already proven track record – and, just to make sure you get the message, those existing vaccines, if they were the first of their kind, WERE tested against placebo. And there are still other reliable ways of testing, such as cohort studies – these may require larger samples or more time to produce reliable results, but are not inferior to placebo-controlled studies.
What is particularly galling about your ill-informed comments is that you yourself are promoting and selling completely useless sugar crumbs as ‘medicines’, EVEN THOUGH THESE HAVE NOT BEEN PROPERLY TESTED FOR EFFICACY AT ALL. You can’t even show us ONE ‘remedy’ that actually DOES something in a consistent, repeatable manner.
Then about vitamin A, from the article you yourself linked to:
So vitamin A can help, but it is NOT a surefire cure for measles, and children will still die and suffer other effects of the disease. And it certainly cannot replace vaccination, which is > 95% effective in PREVENTING (not treating) the disease.
Your comments once again demonstrate that your colossal ignorance is still exceeded by your arrogance, your hypocrisy, and your unshakeable belief that you know better than real medical experts. In other words: you are an exemplary homeopath.
So well done, you may just have earned yourself a place at the table with RFK Jr. and the other terminal Dunning-Kruger patients who are busy demolishing the US at this moment.
Whereas:
@Dana Ullman
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Quote: “Thank YOU for verifying that the Texas hospital here seems to have killed these children.”
Mr. Ullman, are you mad? 🤨
UC Berkeley’s Alumni Magazine Interviews Dana Ullman, MPH
By Russell Schoch
Editor of California Monthly, February 1999, alumni magazine of the University of California at Berkeley.
MPH menace to public health.
You know…I’ve have NEVER seen a group of mosquitoes build a swamp. Instead, it seems that swamps are a breeding ground for mosquitoes. Would mosquitoes be able to proliferate without a swamp? NO! They need a swamp to lay their eggs in quiet water where they can mature undisturbed.
In other words, the growth and proliferation of mosquitoes need a specific environment in which to grow. Just getting rid of mosquitoes with pesticides (or to get rid of bacteria with an antibiotic) will NOT solve the problem of the existence of large populations of mosquitoes (or of bacteria).
Mosquitoes do not “cause” swamps…swamps “cause” mosquitoes. Bacteria do not “cause” disease; bacteria grow because the environment (the terrain) is ripe for them. The most effective way to reduce mosquitoes isn’t with pesticides…it is to drain the swamp. Likewise, the most effective way to stop a bacterial infection isn’t antibiotics…it is with methods that reduce the inner body from having an environment that are ripe for their growth.
For the record…homeopathy became impressively popular in the 19th century primarily due to its massive successes in treating the infectious disease epidemics that raged during that era, including cholera, typhoid, yellow fever, scarlet fever, pneumonia, and influenza. A “placebo” is generally not an effective treatment for these powerful infectious diseases. It is truly laughable that people here are so metaphysical that they actually think that “belief” in homeopathic treatment led to these successful results.
I’m still laughing!
Every time Edzard writes an article about a death or a severe injury, one or more acolytes of quackery takes to the comments section to gloat.
Pete Attkins
It is important for a Professor, who writes about medicine, to understand that these single “death or a severe injury” being written here are travesty of medical understanding.
His tunnel vision seems to completely miss the real failures being reported daily in the “scientific(?) medical system” and the life threatening experiences making patients line up for the alternative medical systems.
“But Joanne Disch, a University of Minnesota expert, said it would be more accurate to call it, “More than 1,000 preventable deaths — and 10,000 preventable serious complications a DAY—is too many.”
“I would respectfully suggest that the title of this hearing understates the problem,” she testified.”
https://www.nydailynews.com/2014/07/20/when-health-care-kills/
This is the situation for USA alone. The experience of patients in UK and Europe is no different.
Such messages here, at worst define Professor’s compromised vision and at best are only laughable. With such “standard” being used for comparison, other medical systems are any day, equally good. If not better.
The requirement from Secretary of Health, Kennedy is:
The reason for patient’s death to be clearly defined and legal action taken against the doctor if medical error is found to be the reason. Regarding drugs been withdrawn for adverse effect leading to deaths or new complications, the MD of the pharma company along with the FDA officer accepting documentation for the drug, to be sent behind bars for 20 years?
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/medical-mistakes-cause-2-6-million-deaths-yearly-who-1599019-2019-09-14
A joke as India seems to be not part of the world for WHO when calculating deaths to to medical errors. India alone has over 5 million deaths due to medical errors.
https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/india-s-medical-error-deaths-nearly-5-mn-a-year-can-be-cut-by-50-expert-118102800193_1.html
Guess the outcome if Kennedy implements a system for doctors to pay for their faults: number of doctors practicing in prisons?
@Dana, Homeopath Extraordinaire
Please enlighten us on how homeopathy does this: “reduce the inner body from having an environment that are ripe for their growth.” Homeopathy has been around for a couple of centuries, and as you have said before, a lot of research has been done in the field. I am confident that you can answer my rookie question without twisting yourself into a pretzel. I am waiting…
Here’s part of your answer:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34177397/
If you were expecting a one-sentence or one-paragraph answer, you’d simply show a simple-mindedness.
This article is the first place to begin…
@Dana
Unlike you, I understand biological complexity to not expect a simple answer. However, one has to wonder why homeopaths are still “Exploring Possible Mechanisms..” 200+ years later. Is it incompetence or lack of understanding of biology or plain stupidity or all of the above?
Mr Ullman refers to his article:
Ullman D.
Exploring Possible Mechanisms of Hormesis and Homeopathy in the Light of Nanopharmacology and Ultra-High Dilutions.
Dose-Response. 2021 Jun 14;19(2):15593258211022983.
doi:10.1177/15593258211022983.
PMID: 34177397;
PMCID: PMC8207273.
Funding: The author(s) disclosed receipt of the following financial support for the research, authorship, and/or publication of this article: This article’s publication cost was supported in part by a grant from the Alliance for Natural Health USA, a non-profit organization dedicated to promoting natural, sustainable healthcare.
QUOTE Alliance for Natural Health USA, Wikipedia
The Alliance for Natural Health USA (ANH-USA) … is a 501(c)(4) nonprofit organization dedicated to promoting alternative medicine and is associated with the libertarian health freedom movement.
END OF QUOTE
QUOTE Health freedom movement, Wikipedia
The health freedom movement is a libertarian coalition that opposes regulation of health practices and advocates for increased access to “non-traditional” health care.
Organizations and campaigners
The Americas
The National Health Federation (NHF) is an international non-profit organization founded in January 1955, which describes its mission as protecting individuals’ rights to use dietary supplements and alternative therapies without government restriction.
The NHF also opposes interventions such as water fluoridation and childhood vaccines. [my emphasis]
END OF QUOTE
Talker Monday 03 March 2025 at 17:17
You do?
Please start reading about the use of immunotherapy in medical treatment. Mostly used for food allergies, asthma….. Overtime expected to cover many other diseases. Including cancers.
The medicine is very dilute, and very specific to the cause of disease. Law of Similars.
if you think that immunotherapy is akin to homeopathy, you have not understood homeopathy!
@Krishna
Based on your response I take it that the answer to the question I posed to Dana in my last post (Monday 03 March 2025 at 17:17) is “All of the above”. If you think otherwise, make a sincere effort to convince me rather than give me reading assignments.
and they don’t potentiate
and they don’t use the ‘law of similars’ but the law of equals.
KRISHNA DOES NOT UNDERSTAND HOMEOPATHY!!!
Edzard on Tuesday 04 March 2025 at 11:28
“…you have not understood homeopathy!”
If you are writing about the homeopathy you studied during your short sojourn at the “homeopathic hospital” you repeatedly write about, I would agree with you.
“homeopathy you studied during your short sojourn at the “homeopathic hospital”
yet again you are wrong: homeopathy which I have practised during your short sojourn at the “homeopathic hospital and studied for many years [probably longer than you]
Talker on Tuesday 04 March 2025 at 16:25
For understanding, reading is important. Specially the points completely opposite to existing held beliefs.
https://www.ijrh.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1624&context=journal
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2001/mar/15/technology2
@Krishna
True but not in this context. I asked you to make an honest effort to convince me of what you were saying earlier, here I quote you:
Maybe I should rephrase my request: In your own words, describe to me why you think homeopathy is similar to immunotherapy. If you want to go a step further, summarize to me the last two articles you asked me to read and make a case as to why the opposing points of view promoted in those articles are NOT akin to flat-earth theory.
You need to make a sincere effort to convince critics before asking them to waste time reading lengthy articles. This is what you need to do to set yourself apart from bullshit artists, many of whom tend to post utter drivel and waste everyone’s time.
Judging by your posts, you are failing miserably in your effort.
Edzard on Tuesday 04 March 2025 at 20:04
“…..homeopathy which I have practised during your short sojourn at the “homeopathic hospital and studied for many years..”
You practiced Homeopathy?????
The answer to one simple question asked earlier is still pending with you: Which symptom is used to differentiate the use of Aconite N from Belladonna in febrile condition by a practicing homeopath? You can easily prove your Homeopathic practiced knowledge.
Regarding your study of Homeopathy for many years, I prefer to agree with this response to you about your studies:
https://www.dzvhae.de/neu_2020/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Hamre_et_al_2023-11-13_Comment_on_blog.pdf
“[probably longer than you]”
I doubt very much. If this was to be exposure to patients history and how it changed for better due to homeopathic treatment.
Do a study to find out who are the patients sticking to homeopathy and their reason for switching from allopathy. We all know the reasons for their moving out from allopathy.
“I doubt very much.”
you should better focus your doubting on your quackery
Edzard on Wednesday 05 March 2025 at 06:54
“You practiced Homeopathy?????
The answer to one simple question asked earlier is still pending with you: Which symptom is used to differentiate the use of Aconite N from Belladonna in febrile condition by a practicing homeopath? You can easily prove your Homeopathic practiced knowledge.”
REALLY ???????????????????????????????????
This was one simple question that a first year student of any Homeopathic college is aware off. You never seem to demonstrate your “Homeopathic knowledge gained during homeopathic hospital practice”, other than repeatedly “claiming” to know homeopathy.
Another simple question: On which symptom would you differentiate between Carbo Veg and Lycopodium C for a patient with gastric issue?
How can you say you practiced homeopathy if you exhibit zero knowledge of Homeopathic Materia Medica.
“Please remember: if you make a claim in a comment, support it with evidence.”
pathetic!
did you really think I might answer 1st year student stuff here?
truly pathetic.
Pete Attkins on Wednesday 05 March 2025 at 10:20
This was an interesting discussion regarding blood pressure.
If my wife has a stomach upset leading to gastric problem, her BP rises and goes beyond 200/100.
Could you tell me the law of Physics or Chemistry to be used in such situation???????
Talker on Tuesday 04 March 2025 at 21:20
“You need to make a sincere effort to convince critics before asking them to waste time reading lengthy articles.”
“True but not in this context. ”
“In your own words, …”
“flat-earth theory.”
These are standard phrases used in place of a considered argument.
A study on “efficacy of a homeopathic remedy” and an article in The Guardian on an experiment confirming memory of water, by a scientific researcher is “reading not true in context”…… What would you know or understand beyond “earth is not flat”. You have a lot in science to catch up to. Spend some years reading chemistry and medicine, specially to find out the difference between the two.
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The human body, including the areas between the mouth and anus, is home to an immense number of bacteria. Estimates suggest that there are around 100 trillion bacteria living in and on the human body, with the majority of these bacteria residing in the gut—the digestive tract between the mouth and anus.
The mouth itself has a diverse microbial community, but the number of bacteria increases significantly as you move through the digestive system, particularly in the colon (large intestine), where billions of bacteria thrive and aid in digestion.
In general:
• Mouth: Roughly 500-700 different species of bacteria are found in the oral cavity, with millions of bacteria present.
• Esophagus and Stomach: These regions contain fewer bacteria due to the acidic environment, but some bacteria still survive and pass through.
• Small Intestine: Bacterial numbers here are lower than in the colon but still significant, contributing to digestion.
• Colon (Large Intestine): This is where the largest concentration of bacteria is found, with over 10¹³ bacteria—mainly responsible for breaking down food that hasn’t been fully digested in the small intestine.
So, the total number of bacteria between the mouth and anus is enormous, likely in the range of billions to trillions across the entire digestive system!”
The doctors know anything about the impact on these when they use an antibiotic?
What argument? You don’t have one. LOL!!
You were asked to justify why you think immunotherapy is like homeopathy in the context of my question (to Dana) about homeopathy’s mechanism of action. Not only did you fail to justify your stance, but for some odd reason you started talking about human microbiome. What a buffoon!
If you are so inclined to make a considered argument, make one in your own words as to why you think homeopathy’s mechanism of action has something to do with immunotherapy and microbiome. I challenge you to make a cogent and convincing argument.
Convince me, Bro! 🤣 🤣
No one understands homeopathy, least of all the homeopaths themselves 😀
There is nothing[sic] to understand, apart from the grifting bit.
@Krishna
Yes they do.
Antibiotics are prescribed when the benefits(*) are greater than the drawbacks.
Homeopathic preparations are prescribed when the practitioner is an ignorant quack, and/or wants to give a patient a placebo pill that doesn’t actually do anything.
*: I.e. preventing suffering and death.
Richard Rasker on Thursday 06 March 2025 at 10:49
“Antibiotics are prescribed when the benefits(*) are greater than the drawbacks.”
This is one very old phrase, used repeatedly to cover lack of knowledge in medical science, that has led to routine failures of actions (blood letting- that killed numerous including George Washington, removal of tonsils-that opens up routine lung infection, glaucoma treatment- that blinded more than were they left alone………..)
You have very short memory regarding Antibiotics where, as I pointed out, Dr Blaser claims that antibiotics are the culprit behind all the modern plagues. And majority of Doctors and researchers agree with his analysis.
These “modern plagues” – obesity, childhood diabetes, asthma, hay fever, food allergies, esophageal reflux and cancer, celiac disease, Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, autism, eczema. In all likelihood you or someone in your family or someone you know is afflicted. Unlike most lethal plagues of the past that struck relatively fast and hard, these are chronic conditions that diminish and degrade their victims’ quality of life for decades.”
Benefit greater than drawback? What was your calculation?
@Krishna
Still more proof that whoever this “Krishna” fool is, it knows less than nothing about
real medicine. Let us hope it doesn’t cause anyone serious harm by playing doctor.
Björn Geir on Friday 07 March 2025 at 15:21
“….that whoever this “Krishna” fool is, it knows less than nothing about real medicine.”
The normal response of a poorly informed with no relevant answer. “Real medicine” is for killing patients? Is that your approach to your patients?
“12,000 deaths from unnecessary surgeries;
7,000 deaths from medication errors in hospitals;
20,000 deaths from other errors in hospitals;
80,000 deaths from infections acquired in hospitals;
106,000 deaths from FDA-approved correctly prescribed medicines. ”
https://ahrp.org/us-healthcare-third-leading-cause-of-death_barbara-starfield-md/
“The British Medical Journal sifted through the evidence for thousands of medical treatments to assess which are beneficial and which aren’t. According to the analysis, there is evidence of some benefit for just over 40 percent of them. Only 3 percent are ineffective or harmful; a further 6 percent are unlikely to be helpful. But a whopping 50 percent are of unknown effectiveness. ”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/upshot/why-doctors-still-offer-treatments-that-may-not-help.html
A couple of points about Krishna’s misunderstandings of the BMJ data. First, the data were produced to encourage research into those treatments without a supporting evidence base and not, as homeopaths use them, as an excuse for not having an evidence base. And secondly, they looked at all treatments (including homeopathy, presumably – I wonder which category it was placed in?), without regard to whether and how often they are actually used. When the treatments actually used by doctors are considered, the percentage supported by evidence is much higher, often over 80%.
See, for example, Ernst E: How much of general practice is based on evidence? Br J Gen Pract. 2004 April; 54(501): 316.
“Mojo on Sunday 09 March 2025 at 10:06”
“A couple of points about Krishna’s misunderstandings of the BMJ data.
“See, for example, Ernst E: How much of general practice is based on evidence? Br J Gen Pract. 2004 April; 54(501): 316.”
Ernst E is good at generating such information. Where does the magic figure of 80% come from? How does it compare to other studies??????? Find any “over 80%?
“COMPROMISED COMPLIANCE WITH EVIDENCE-BASED GUIDELINES”
In cardiology, a critical review of evidence-based guidelines in hypertension [1] found that despite the widespread availability of evidence-based guidelines for treating hypertension, recent evidence suggests that physicians may not be prescribing first-line drugs for their patients with high blood pressure, and for patients with high blood pressure alone, only 38 percent being on a diuretic, and less than a third prescribed a beta-blockert (he JNC VI recommended first-line antihypertensives for essential hypertension), while approximately half of individuals with high blood pressure and certain comorbidities received non-first-line interventions.
It’s been independently shown that GPs are in poor compliance with evidence-based hypertension guidelines and are undertreating hypertension [2] and, despite being aware of the risks of hypertension in the elderly and the benefits of its treatment, with fewer than half complying with the broad recommendations of even the most conservative evidence-based guidelines [3,4], a problem widespread among GPs in the UK and elsewhere [5].
In OBGYN, another UK review [6] examined the practice of induction of labour (IOL) to determine whether induction was performed as per the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists/National Institute for Clinical Excellence (RCOG/NICE) guidelines, finding only 60 – 70% compliance with guidelines.
If we turn to the domain of emergency medicine, in particular Emergency Oxygen Guidelines in emergency departments, another British study [7] found that as many as 46% of patients were inappropriately receiving excess oxygen, and as many as 40% were inappropriately not receiving oxygen, so it is clear that uptake of authoritative evidence-based guidelines has been poor as in the inpatient setting.
Another recent (2012) retrospective analysis of compliance with evidence based protocols in cases admitted to the ICU [8] found that in 45% of the severe pre‐eclampsia patients and in 46% of sepsis cases, the guidelines were not followed and there was exceedingly poor adherence – a mere 10.8% – to guidelines of massive hemorrhage cases.
Within trauma medicine, another recent (2014) review of compliance with evidence-based guidelines in patients with traumatic brain injuries [9], it was found that the overall compliance rate was 73%, with only 3 out of 11 Level I trauma centers achieving a compliance rate exceeding 80%, despite the fact that multivariate analysis showed that increased adoption of EBM was associated with a reduced mortality rate. This cross-confirms the previous observation [10] of patients admitted to Level I trauma center (2006–2008) with moderate to severe injuries, where little over half of evidence-based recommended care was delivered to trauma patients with moderate to severe injuries, just 17% for neurosurgical interventions, and alarmingly, with those patients with increasing severity of traumatic brain injuries being the least likely to receive optimal evidence-based care.
In oncology, another recent (2014) review of melanoma treatment in Australia and New Zealand [11] evaluated both the extent of evidence-based support for clinical practice guideline recommendations concerning cutaneous melanoma follow up and the methodological quality of these guidelines; the review found that melanoma follow-up recommendations concerning frequency of physical examinations, duration of follow-up appointments and use of imaging or diagnostic tests are based mostly on low-level evidence or consensus expert opinion; in addition, recommendations were often inconsistent between different guidelines, and to this day, there is no international evidence-based consensus regarding what constitutes best practice for follow up of melanoma survivors.
CONCLUSIONS – AND ANOTER PROBLEM: COMPROMISED GUIDELINES
These and over a hundred other studies I reviewed across the spectrum of medical specialties collectively and strongly suggest that large proportions of medical clinical practice demonstrate low to at most modest compliance with evidence-based recommendations and practice guidelines. Aggravating this problem is the related – and underlying – problem, of clinical practice being informed by putative evidence-based clinical practice guidelines that themselves are of significantly compromised methodological quality. Thus, a Canadian study [12,13] evaluated the strength of the evidence underlying therapy recommendations (n=338) in evidence-based clinical practice guidelines in three domains (diabetes, dyslipidemia, and hypertension), finding that overall, less than one-third of treatment recommendations (and less than half of those citing RCTs in support of the advocated treatment) were based on high-quality evidence.
And although evidence-based medicine regards RCTs as the strongest form of evidence for clinical decision making, a recent intensive review [14] found that overall, at least 20.2% of all published medical research has significant methodological flaws, and perhaps alarmingly, prospective studies appear to have as many methodological limitations as nonprospective studies, and RCTs have as many limitations as non-RCTs, with as much as 38.7% of published RCTs receiving detailed review found to have methodological issues.
Similarly, among 100 orthopedic articles analyzed for compliance with CONSORT and Strengthening the Reporting of Observational Studies in Epidemiology (STROBE) reporting guidelines [15], 96% failed to report trial registration, 63% failed to discuss study limitations, 59% failed to report the source of funding, 48% failed to report details of the research setting, 38% failed to report adverse events and unintended effects, 37% inadequately reported the number of patients enrolled, and 23% reported no measurement of error for the primary outcome.
And again: up to 30% of articles in the thoracic surgery literature have been reported to have limitations, with the most frequently cited problem being inappropriate use of statistical tests or violation of principles of research design, and the experimental design of many surgical investigations often do not adequately account for bias or type II error [16]. Statistical tests were used or reported incorrectly in 27% of articles evaluated in the surgical literature and were not used at all in an additional 10% of articles [17].
The data I have presented above, which can be extended by dozens and dozens of additional studies, collectively suggests that substantial portions of clinical practice have decidedly questionable foundations in robust evidentiary medicine, with low compliance and low study methodology aggravating the evidence-based foundations of modern medicine. We need to do better as a profession.
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@Krishna
tl;dr
You do not have any arguments at hand and do not understand any studies, so you try to overwhelm the reader with walls of text.
… text that he fails to comprehend!
Talker on Thursday 06 March 2025 at 14:03
“….”make one in your own words as to why you think”…
You seem to treat scientific studies and writings similar to story telling. That is not so.
When an antibiotic is developed to kill the few million bacteria producing inflammation, does the developer take into account the millions of other bacteria that are destroyed along with. And the impact analysis?
Over the many years, it was found:
1: Good bacteria that helps patients’ health are destroyed, leaving him open to other and new infections.
2: Repeat usage of such antibiotics creates long term health issues, that get passed on to next generations……. childhood diabetes, asthma, hay fever, food allergies, esophageal reflux and cancer, celiac disease, Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, autism, eczema.”
The extent of destruction: “In all likelihood you or someone in your family or someone you know is afflicted. ”
3: The real crisis: The bacteria mutates at a rate that it stays ahead of the “scientific medicine”. Malaria, TB are just 2 examples. Now we have TB and MDRTB. And MDR Malaria. And simultaneously, antibiotics start to malfunction.
https://academic.oup.com/jac/article/73/4/833/4840684#:~:text=A%20team%20at%20Public%20Health%20England%20has,to%20be%20reduced%20by%2010%%20by%202020.
If you accept these repeated failures as “medicine”, you cannot understand Homeopathy.
@Krishna
I never said anything of that sort. You have no idea what I can and cannot understand. That is what someone would say when they have nothing relevant to offer in a conversation.
I asked Dana a question about Homeopathy, which he failed to answer, and you jumped in with information about immunotherapy, microbiome, and antibiotic resistance. I asked you what any of those topics have to do with Homeopathy and I am still waiting for an answer. It is clear from your posts that you have no idea what any of that means and how it is relevant to Homeopathy. All you have demonstrated so far is that you can copy and paste sentences from scientific literature. Moreover, you fail miserably at making convincing arguments. Therefore, I will give you a grade of F minus. You may have the last word if you can make a convincing argument. Convince me, Bro!
RPGNo1 on Tuesday 11 March 2025 at 07:28
“You do not have any arguments at hand and do not understand any studies,”
The argument is NOT required from ME. The numerous references I have used, clearly indicate the lies regarding “80% evidence” being stated here.
No need to get overwhelmed. You could pick up few of the studies here and show “doctors using practices and drugs with over 80% evidence.” Then go to the next few.
Edzard on Tuesday 11 March 2025 at 07:33
“… text that he fails to comprehend!”
Maybe you will try to explain how “over 80% evidence based medicine and processes” end up killing and maiming millions of patients across the world every year?
“According to the World Health Organization (WHO), an estimated 2.6 million deaths occur annually worldwide (not accounting for 50 million in India), due to unsafe healthcare, which includes medical errors, highlighting the significant impact of preventable patient harm globally; this translates to around 5 patients dying every minute due to unsafe care.”
When Barbra Starfield MD pointed out the basic issues in her study (data for USA), these fall outside the “over 80% evidence”
““12,000 deaths from unnecessary surgeries;
20,000 deaths from other errors in hospitals;
80,000 deaths from infections acquired in hospitals;
106,000 deaths from FDA-approved correctly prescribed medicines. ””
Frankly, you come across exactly like the Pied Piper leading people into an medical abyss where death and serious injury awaits them. Good for you.
@Krishna:
Did you not read the article that I cited and linked to, or did you just not understand it?
both!
he does not read it because he knows he would not understand it.
Edzard on Wednesday 12 March 2025 at 08:57
“both! he does not read it because he knows he would not understand it.”
You have continued to sell the story of “scientific medicine” for past 30 years? The pick and choose of the studies showing “evidence in medicine” was expected from you considering the Dr David Eddy’s critique that only 15% of the practice was evidence based. And he was being considerate.
Check ground reality: “24,000 diabetes deaths a year ‘could be avoided'”
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-16147731 This was 2011. Where was the “evidence based treatment” that allowed this to take place?
“Poor diabetes care may be behind 7,000 excess deaths” This is 2023. After 12 years, still looking for body bags.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-65534494
This “poor care behind excess deaths” is due to “evidence based decisions”??????????
Where is the gap between the “studies you referred” and the reality?
you don’t need to insist, we have long understood that you are unable to understand science.
@Krishna
It’s very simple: just your continuing belief in homeopathy already tells us that you are ignorant about science and medicine, and that we can safely dismiss anything you say about these subjects as nonsense.
Edzard on Thursday 13 March 2025 at 06:42
“you don’t need to insist, we have long understood that you are unable to understand science.”
You studied special medical science where “evidence based treatment” means killing/dead patients as part of the outcome?
If in “scientific medicine” doctors kill patients with evidence, what is the purpose of generating evidence? Killing without evidence should be more cost effective.
“I believe we are in a health care crisis. The quality crisis is that the care that we’re delivering is highly variable. The same patient can go to three different doctors and get three different recommendations.”
Any change? Recall Covid 19????
The same patient might go to three different homeopaths and get three different remedies
Edzard on Thursday 13 March 2025 at 18:39
“The same patient might go to three different homeopaths and get three different remedies”
True. So how is “allopathy: the scientific medicine” any different or evidence based?
The statement from Dr. Eddy:
“I believe we are in a health care crisis. The quality crisis is that the care that we’re delivering is highly variable. The same patient can go to three different doctors and get three different recommendations.”
The real crisis of allopathy: 2 of the three doctors end up killing or maiming the patient.
@Krishna
You are a “wonderful” storyteller. But also an ignoramus and fool who lives in a bubble together with your ‘friends’ Dana, Old Bob, RG, JK.
Or get the same remedy with 3 different labels.
RPGNo1 on Friday 14 March 2025 at 09:20
“You are a “wonderful” storyteller.”
That shows you refuse to read what I write. Every single study (story?), I have put here is written by a doctor/researcher with similar back ground as that of Dr. Edzard. If it seems a STORY to you, you need to revisit your own understanding of science.
“But also an ignoramus and fool who lives in a bubble together with your ‘friends’ Dana, Old Bob, RG, JK.”
The use of label, in place of a considered argument based upon facts, is an indication that you have realized the failure of your earlier statements and have reached a point where, either you have no logical points left or are sure your next statements will be proved to be equally illogical. This is the point where use of throwing of labels start. This useless tactic is quite in use these days and anyone using such adjectives indicates the bankruptcy of logical thinking and lack of proper knowledge.
“storyteller”, “ignoramus” and “fool” are not adjectives; they are nouns.
https://edzardernst.com/2023/12/no-one-should-ever-use-any-homeopathic-ophthalmic-products/#comment-149128
@Dana Ullman
Yeah, and Mars is in Saggitarius ascendant, and we all know what that means …
Wow! It takes a strange kind of recklessness to reveal one own idiocy. Well done.
Dear Dana,
I thank you that you you encourage to reveal meadalgic reminiscence.
The study was performed one year after I began my medical studies.
Do you read the conclusions?
“The study was limited by a priori considerations to a fixed termination date, with a maximal enrollment of 200 cases.”
“The criteria for exclusion were […] xerophthalmia on admission or thereafter, rash for more than four days, […].”
Really?
OK? Children were excluded, if there have xerophthalmia because of a vitamin A deficiency?
According to CDC 2024 “Measles is infectious 4 days before and 4 days after rash onset”
Therefore the authors did not have a interest to investigate if a application of vitamin a has an effect during the infectious Periode.
Do you agree to me?
But nowhere in the article it is not mentioned, which serological or direct test were used to detect the measles infection.
Are you serious when you present this article?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199007193230304
I love it when I quote the NEJM…and skeptics of homeopathy and alternative medicine actually claim that the NEJM publishes junk research. Glad to see that you have such high standards that no source is good enough for you.
https://retractionwatch.com/category/by-journal/nejm-retractions/
3 pages
https://www.nejm.org/search?searchType=advancedSearch&sortBy=relevance&allWords=&atLeastOneWord=retraction+retracted&withoutTheWords=&searchWithin=title&articleCategory=&author=&authorAndOr=AND
27 results
https://www.nejmgroup.org/legal/terms-of-use.htm
Your fallacy, Mr Ullman, is an argument from false authority.
@Pete Attkins
Ullman does not know how to read or interpret scientific papers. He simply cherry-picks one or two sentences that appear to support his beliefs, and lets all the rest take a flying leap.
After which he proclaims with extreme arrogance that he is right and all actual experts in the subject matter (including of course Edzard) are wrong.
Then again, homeopaths and other quacks must be arrogant in order to defend the indefensible – if they were open to reason and intelligent arguments, they would quickly cease to be quacks.
Cf. https://storypick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/A5.jpg
A rare complication of measles- depending on age- is SSPE (subacute panencephalitis). It is uncurabel and the patients have adying process for over some years.
I saw two boys dying. One was to young to get a measles vaccine. The othe missed the 2nd dose, which was recommended some times later.
@WolfgangM
Also don’t forget that one in every few hundred measles patients suffers profound and permanent hearing loss.
And oh, that a measles destroys the immune memory cells, so that children become significantly more susceptible for other infections for several years following a measles infection.
To everyone out there: don’t listen to medically clueless fools like RFK Jr., Trump (or to Ullman or other quacks).
Please get your kids vaccinated.
“It is hard to conclude that Kennedy is competent…”
Or sane for that matter!
We (USA) keep winning. RFKj will be a great director.
MEGA
Make Europe Great Again
Hey Europe,
Don’t be jealous of all our winning. I bet you want a piece of this action, don’t you?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2025/03/01/trump-firings-noaa-nws-weather-forecast-impacts/
We don’t need staff to predict weather as long as we have Trump and his sharpie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Dorian%E2%80%93Alabama_controversy
https://farmpolicynews.illinois.edu/2025/02/usda-accidentally-fires-bird-flu-response-workers
Avian flu outbreak is a hoax perpetrated by big pharma to sell mind controlling vaccines. Fire those federal employees who are helping big pharma perpetrate the hoax.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g3nrx1dq5o
Who needs nuclear safety when radiation is all around us. MAGA thinks radiation is good for health, makes you stronger.
https://sustainableagriculture.net/blog/trump-denies-over-2-billion-in-payments-owed-to-30000-farmers/
Farmers overwhelmingly voted for Trump: https://investigatemidwest.org/2024/11/13/trump-election-farming-counties-trade-war/ and they had it coming. Suck it farmers!!
@RG
You and your MAGA friends JK and DUllman are losing. Not immediately, but in the long run. Trump is riding you guys into the shit. And when you finally realize it and then start whining, Trump will not help you. Because he does not like losers. He has emphasized that time and time again.
Guess what RPGNo1! Not even 100 days into his presidency, Trump voters are whining already: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/23/us/politics/republicans-congress-town-halls-trump.html. Too bad, presidency doesn’t come with a 30-day no questions asked return policy that most Americans are used to. Moreover, Trump dismissed them as ‘paid troublemakers’: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5172714-trump-dismisses-gop-town-hall-backlash/ and Republicans are cancelling in-person townhalls: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/republican-leaders-advise-lawmakers-avoid-town-halls-1235280854/ 😭
You might be curious if we (non-Trump voters) feel sorry for these idiots. We absolutely don’t, in fact we love to see them Trump voters bitch, whine and squirm every time Trump and his cronies destroy something that is helping his voters. There is a German word for it, I think it is called schadenfreude.
@Talker
Thank you for the links.
Is not “schadenfreude” now even an English loanword? I read about it once.
Even my early-1990s vintage Australian English dictionary has “schadenfreude” listed. Though still capitalised, as it would be in German. I think it’s firmly entrenched as yet another English loanword now.
It is a loanword. Not widely used but people understand when you use it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
@Talker
The problem of course is that Emperor Trump simply adopts a different truth if he doesn’t like the real one.
Trump himself recently claimed on multiple occasions that he has “the highest poll ratings of any president ever”, and that he is even more popular than George Washington.
Oh yeah, sure … So THAT is what ‘winning’ looks like …
However, there is an upside to all the corruption, illegal actions and treason(*) that has so far been perpetrated by Trump, and that is this: Donald Trump is a deeply stupid man, who will not listen to anyone, in particular not to smart people – whom he apparently hates and disdains more than anyone else. He will simply do whatever bubbles up in that big dumb head of his, regardless whether it is legal or morally defensible or not.
This means that sooner rather than later, people will realize that Donald Trump only cares about Donald Trump. He doesn’t even care about the most ardent sycophants who are kissing his behind right now, and who are the ones keeping him in power – he simply takes them for granted, and in fact demands that every person in the world should do the same.
Even those brown-noses will eventually realize that being Trump’s enemy is far less dangerous and harmful than being his ‘friend’. At which point the whole of Trumpistan will simply collapse, together with what calls itself the republican party.
*: If even just 30 years ago a president would have done what Trump is doing now, then that president would have been removed from office by unanimous Congress action, facing a slew of indictments up to and including high treason, and probably be locked up for the rest of his life.
@Richard
I wish I shared your optimism. In US we live in an upsidedown world, my friend. The Republican party is a party that is against Clean Air Act. Just Google “Opposition to Clean Air Act”.
Republican voters have been brainwashed into voting against their own interests and this has been happening for decades. I don’t think Trump and Republicans are going anywhere.
@Talker
Yeah, I realize that I’m probably too optimistic, and that the US is quickly becoming a fascist kleptocracy. And as you already mention, this, for want of a better word, ‘administration’ is doing the exact opposite to what is good for Americans, its (now former) allies, and for our planet – in almost every thinkable respect.
It’s replacing the 3 traditional pillars of government (executive branch, legislative branch, and judiciary) designed to uphold democracy, with 3 new pillars: corruption, greed and betrayal – designed to uphold the absolute power of one of the stupidest people on this planet.
But I still think that Trump’s stupidity is the big weak spot in all this. He is knocking down the walls of his own house in an uncontrolled rage – until inevitably the roof comes down on his head. Unfortunately, he will have destroyed the livelihoods of millions by that time.
It was so obvious from the moment he opened his mouth in the hearings that everyone’s opinion of rfk was correct – he is clearly unqualified and is a danger to the health of the country. It was amazing that Cassady actually approved him. The repugnants of Congress are so afraid of the demented trump that they will carry out his orders, no matter how wrong they are. rfk’s total lack of understanding of medicine and medical research is frightening. But he is only one of the many dumbos that trump has selected and the children of the Senate have approved. If Congress doesn’t wake up, we will surely be a dictatorship and there won’t be a next presidential election. We can only hope that the dems win back Congress in 2026.
This blog is coming like a ghost blog
All the posts will be closed down
This blog is coming like a ghost blog
Bloggers won’t post no more
too much RFK on the blog floor
Do you remember the good old days before the ghost blog?
You danced and sang, and the music played in a sceptic boomtown.
This blog is coming like a ghost blog
Where is Alan Henness when you need him?
This blog, is coming like a ghost blog
Government leaving Edzard on the shelf
This blog is coming like a ghost blog
No jabs to be found in this country
Can’t go on no more
Talker is getting angry
This blog is becoming like a ghost blog
@JK.
When and if you sober up, however briefly. Will you please tell us what pills you are popping or stuff you are smoking – so we can avoid it.
I am Special Björn.
You are Madness.
I am one step beyond you though.
For those few people here who actually believe in evolution, rather than just give lip service to it, these childhood illnesses are important and even vitally important for our bodies to strengthen our immunological and cardiovascular abilities.
Here’s a study from a major cardiological journal that shows the cardiovascular BENEFITS of getting mumps or measles:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26122188/
Sadly, however, the vast majority of people here only give lip service to believing in evolution…
“Measles and mumps, especially in case of both infections, were associated with lower risks of mortality from atherosclerotic CVD” – possibly because the least healthy ones had died of the infections before they could be entered into the study?
Methinks Dana also doesn’t understand evolution.
Probably just nicked a Nietzche quote from the start of a Conan movie and took that to heart.
The death rate from measles was reduced by 95% even BEFORE the vaccine…and I know that you KNOW this.
Who is playing loose with the facts here just to try to make your pseudo-narrative seem like it is not bullshit. It didn’t work (again).
You are just another person who gives lip-service to evolution…and your religion is reductionism (which is a piss poor way to understand the complexities of nature and reality.
Oh dear, Dana I did not know that – on top of everything else – you are also such an ardent anti-vaxxer!
Now, tell me: did the worm also eat part of your brain?
@Ullman
So what if measles became less deadly with progress in REAL science and REGULAR medicine(*)? The disease still causes suffering and death – which is 100% preventable by using the MMR vaccine.
*: And please note that quackery like homeopathy has NOT contributed to this course of affairs. If anything, imbecile homeopaths like you are contributing to the spread of measles through their antivaxx nonsense.
But what motivates you to keep opening that dumb mouth of yours? It only serves to show the world how clueless you are about science and medicine, sickness and health.
(And where on earth does evolution come in? You seem to be mightily confused …)
Thank You Dana! You are a breath of fresh (measles virus ridden) air on this blog frequented by so-called MDs. Best way to fight disease is to catch that disease and survive a.k.a evolution. Therefore, I call on RFK Jr. to establish measles booths across the country where a person seeking cardiovascular benefits would walk in and get coughed in the face by a measles patient. MAHA!!!!
Your statement is misleading, even contradictory. If germs didn’t cause disease, why does homeopathy claim to have the ability to boost our immune system? What function would the immune system have to strengthen it? If germs really did not cause diseases, why does homeopathy sell “nosodes” (homeopathic vaccine). Dr. Gorski once said that when it comes to medical scams, dancers are constantly changing, but the music remains the same. In this type of music, the anti-vax discourse, the so-called “bigpharma”, the magical thinking and, above all, postmodern epistemic relativism cannot be missing.
@Ullman
It has been explained why this JACC study is no good at all, see e.g.
https://science.feedback.org/review/no-evidence-measles-prevents-cancer-heart-disease-can-lead-long-term-health-problems-instead/
And even if a measles infection would provide some degree of protection against particular diseases, then guess what: the MMR vaccine would most likely do the same. Why? Because the MMR vaccine contains live viruses that in fact cause an infection with measles, mumps and rubella – but because these viruses have been weakened, the infection can’t cause any harm.
So please stop talking about things that you clearly don’t understand such as ‘evolution’ and ‘science’ and ‘medicine’. Like all homeopaths, you are an ignorant fool, period.
I knew Dana was an fool and a plastic shaman. Now it turns out he is also an opportunistic brown-noser, who stucks up to his neck in RFK’s rectum.
Tell me, @Dullman, how many pieces of silver do you expect to get for sycophancy?
More on Kennedy’s reaction to the measles outbreak:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rfk-jr-backtracks-after-embarrassing-measles-blunder/?via=desktop&source=twitter
Thanks for fighting the good fight, Edzard.
Just heard the MicrobeTV crew talking about threat of lawsuits for their criticism of RFKJr et al. Could free-speech hypocrisy be more evident? https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-1196/
Glad we have backup from across the pond.
STOP THE PRESSES! RFK Jr. wants you to get VACCINATED!!!!
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/robert-f-kennedy-jr-measles-outbreak-call-action-all-us
Not too long ago he was doing this in Samoa: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/25/opinion/rfk-jr-vaccines-samoa-measles.html
How the mighty have fallen? Deep state must have got to him and brain-washed him into a vax-lover. A win for science!!
Oh dear … well, I guess this means that Emperor Trump and Grand Vizier Musk will fire him before the month’s end …
Wow! Gosh! Shock horror! Politicians saying one thing when out of power and then doing another thing when confronted with the realities of power.
Only the flapdoodle conspiracy theorists on here ever took any of this seriously.
Yo, it’s JK on the forum, always in the mix,
Droppin’ random comments, never gettin’ the fix.
Scrollin’ through the threads, tryin’ to be slick,
But every single post is just a little bit thick.
“What’s goin’ on here?” JK’s always wonderin’,
Lost in the threads, like a wanderer in a maze, blunderin’.
Replies with lightning speed, thinkin’ that’s the trick,
But everyone’s puzzled, like “Who is this dimwit?”
JK’s got the vibe, but not much insight,
Thinks he’s a genius, but he’s not quite right.
Always off-track, but you gotta give ’em cheers,
For keepin’ things fun with those clueless jeers.
So here’s to JK, keepin’ forums fun,
Even if your posts leave us all on the run.
Stay clueless and cool, never change your way,
‘Cause every forum needs a JK to brighten up the day!
It looks like Talker flapdoodles in poetry as well as conspiracy theories.
Krishna: “Please start reading about the use of immunotherapy in medical treatment. Mostly used for food allergies, asthma….. Overtime expected to cover many other diseases. Including cancers.
The medicine is very dilute, and very specific to the cause of disease. Law of Similars.”
_____
No, not true for a very obvious reason: the homeopath administers NOTHING; the allergist administers a small dose of SOMETHING!
Kurt Youngmann on Tuesday 04 March 2025 at 16:24
“No, not true for a very obvious reason: the homeopath administers NOTHING; the allergist administers a small dose of SOMETHING!”
The Mother Tinctures and low potentiates are used in Homeopathy for acute problems. Very much like drugs.
http://www.homeoint.org/clarke/o/ornith.htm
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3085232/
@Krishna
Except that most drugs actually work, while undiluted ‘mother tinctures’ either still don’t do shit, or are simply poisonous. Which of course is not surprising, given that homeopathic preparations are not properly tested at all.
Richard Rasker on Friday 07 March 2025 at 09:02
“….while undiluted ‘mother tinctures’ either still don’t do shit, or are simply poisonous.”
Is that why the allopath doctors use these for their patients? Or as usual, it is your lack of knowledge here?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3760822/
Also when they use these homeopathic mother tinctures, they are automatically confirming the homeopathic principle:
“The law of similars, that states that “like cures like”.
Actually, not true for another reason: by the “law of similars”, the medicine should be specific to the totality of the patient’s symptoms, not the cause of disease.
Source: Pink Sheet