How often have we seen it stated on this blog and elsewhere by enthusiasts of so-called alternative medicine (SCAM) that COVID vaccinations were useless or even harmful? Here is some rather compelling evidence that should make them think again.
This population based cohort study investigated the effectiveness of primary covid-19 vaccination (first two doses and first booster dose within the recommended schedule) against post-covid-19 condition (PCC).
All adults (≥18 years) participated from the Swedish Covid-19 Investigation for Future Insights (a Population Epidemiology Approach using Register Linkage (SCIFI-PEARL) project, a register based cohort study in Sweden) with covid-19 first registered between 27 December 2020 and 9 February 2022 (n=589 722) in the two largest regions of Sweden. Individuals were followed from a first infection until death, emigration, vaccination, reinfection, a PCC diagnosis (ICD-10 diagnosis code U09.9), or end of follow-up (30 November 2022), whichever came first. Individuals who had received at least one dose of a covid-19 vaccine before infection were considered vaccinated.
The primary outcome was a clinical diagnosis of PCC. Vaccine effectiveness against PCC was estimated using Cox regressions adjusted for age, sex, comorbidities (diabetes and cardiovascular, respiratory, and psychiatric disease), number of healthcare contacts during 2019, socioeconomic factors, and dominant virus variant at time of infection.
Of 299 692 vaccinated individuals with covid-19, 1201 (0.4%) had a diagnosis of PCC during follow-up, compared with 4118 (1.4%) of 290 030 unvaccinated individuals. Covid-19 vaccination with any number of doses before infection was associated with a reduced risk of PCC (adjusted hazard ratio 0.42, 95% confidence interval 0.38 to 0.46), with a vaccine effectiveness of 58%. Of the vaccinated individuals, 21 111 received one dose only, 205 650 received two doses, and 72 931 received three or more doses. Vaccine effectiveness against PCC for one dose, two doses, and three or more doses was 21%, 59%, and 73%, respectively.
The authors concluded that the results of this study suggest a strong association between covid-19 vaccination before infection and reduced risk of receiving a diagnosis of PCC. The findings highlight the importance of primary vaccination against covid-19 to reduce the population burden of PCC.
This study should make the anti-vaxers re-consider their views. Sadly, I have little hope that they will. If they don’t, they provide rational thinkers with yet further evidence that they are cultists who are beyond learning from compelling data.
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I will sign that immediately.
I also think that the usual suspects among the corona deniers and vaccination opponents are working hard to dissect the study in order to inflate the smallest irrelevant ambiguities into major problems. Or they will quote half sentences and simply omit important aspects in order to give the study a meaning that suits their false conclusions and fake news.
I have long given up hope that studies like this will change the views of the close-minded anti-vaxers. Since they tend to prefer cherry-picked anecdotes to objective data (in this case, hundreds of thousands investigated subjects), they will always find a way to ignore solid scientific evidence and stick to their preferred irrational beliefs.
Kudos to you, Prof. Ernst, for keeping up trying.
It’s all data being fabricated by Big Pharma, The Truth is being suppressed apart from all the articles being written by antivax loons etc etc
Ahhh, anti-vaxxers, a catch-all expression which is too simplistic. How about a person being cautious and conducting due diligence before being jabbed with a cocktail of synthetic chemicals. So called anti-covid drugs do not contain any element of the ORIGINAL virus. Some vaccinated people experience side-effects, including the person reported below:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65321937
I don’t think the post was discussing the deliberations of individuals re a particular vaccine but rather the efforts of those who actively promote the idea that vaccines are useless and/or harmful. This latter group are causing and will cause societal harm as vaccination rates decrease. Their basic mantra is , for example, Covid 19 is just a bad cold that only kills those who are about to die anyway whereas vaccines are causing widespread problems. This mantra is simply demonstrably untrue yet appealing to many.
Steven
A thousand times thousands of MD’s (ad nurses) that were previously in support of viral vaccines are speaking against the covid vaccines. Beyond that many millions of patients (probably hundreds of millions worldwide) that were not previously vaccine hesitant are now in fact labeled anti-vax for their views. Previously the true anti-vax crowd was very small. So, these new (mostly MRNA) vaccines have sounded an alarm among both the medical community and the general population. It is the scientific community that needs to ask themselves why.
Let me give some reasons for the change to hesitancy.
1-Insufficient testing of vaccines
2-False claims
3-Poor efficacy
4-Negative vaccine reactions
5-Mandates
6-EUA
I could go further.
Too add, Pfizer’s highest revenue product EVER (Comirnaty), at the expense of the taxpayers did not sit well with many.
So, blame the current low vaccine uptake rates on who should be responsible, the manufactures, not SCAM. Placing the blame on the crowd that uses alternative medicine is off the mark.
The failed covid vaccines are responsible for vaccine hesitancy and anti-vax sentiment.
@John
This is a lie.
This is a lie.
This is a lie.
No. It is antivaxxers like you who tirelessly keep spreading lies and false propaganda about COVID vaccines that cause people to become averse to vaccines. I think it’s safe to say that 99% of doctors, nurses and scientists still are fully behind COVID vaccination, as is the majority of the general public.
Read: “Let me give you some of the lies that I keep spreading”
This is a lie. COVID vaccines have gone through the EXACT same tests that other vaccines have gone through.
The only false claims about COVID vaccines are the ones that antivaxxers like you are spreading. To which your comment is a clear testimony.
This is a lie. The vaccines were initially 95% effective in preventing serious illness, death and post-COVID syndrome, and have save many millions of lives. Efficacy has dropped to about 50% now due to the emergence of new COVID variants, but that is still way better than no protection at all.
This is a lie. Just like most other vaccines, COVID vaccines have only few and rare side effects. COVID itself causes far more harm and death, even in children en adolescents.
This may be the only valid reason why some people have become averse to COVID vaccines. Then again, vaccination was already mandatory for certain professions (e.g. HepB for medical workers) and for school admission of children.
And no doubt you will. Antivaxxers have made up literally dozens of ways in which COVID vaccines are supposedly harmful or even deadly, none of which are true – because otherwise, getting a COVID vaccine would be tantamount to chugging down a cyanide-and-arsenic cocktail with asbestos frosting. Yet in spite of being wrong all the time, they keep spouting their antivaxx garbage.
Completely wrong. It is medically and scientifically illiterate antivaxxers like you who are almost fully responsible for vaccine hesitancy and anti-vax sentiment.
Richard Rasker on Saturday 25 November 2023 at 11:52 said:
“…This is a lie.” from blind faith.
No it’s not.
Stanley Plotkin (under oath), says otherwise:
https://twitter.com/AaronSiriSG/status/1672060005523111937
@Old Bob
I don’t care what this dumb antivaxx lawyer says, but I am 100% certain that Stanley Plotkin never said that there was a causal link between autism and vaccines, or that vaccines cause significant harm in any other way.
So like the other brainless antivaxx morons here, you’re just propagating more lies.
@Old Bob
Aaron Siri’s tweet refers to the website “The Highwire”, which belongs to the anti-vaccination campaigner Del Bigtree. Aaron Siri, on the other hand, is the owner of a legal firm that represents Bigtree’s Informed Consent Action Network.
Once again you have been caught deliberately spreading anti-vaccination propaganda. As you have done so many times before.
Richard Rasker on Saturday 25 November 2023 at 17:16 said
“…I don’t care what this dumb antivaxx lawyer says.”
This is likely true.
“… but I am 100% certain that Stanley Plotkin never said that there was a causal link between autism and vaccines, or that vaccines cause significant harm in any other way.”
Not only he, the FDA, the CDC, and Big Pharma all say the same thing in absolute terms: “That vaccines do not cause autism.”
And as you can see from Plotkin, they refuse to test their hypothesis, why? Because then they can swear-under-oath that “There is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.” Which is a lie because they know it does, that is why they refuse to test for it.
If they *knew* that vaccines did not cause autism, by definition they would have tested for it, so let’s see the results? – No. There are no tests as Plotkin and Kathryn Edwards have been forced to admit, under oath, in open court.
RPGNo1 on Saturday 25 November 2023 at 17:25 said:
“…Once again you have been caught deliberately spreading anti-vaccination propaganda. As you have done so many times before.”
This information, as you can see, comes from Plotkin and Edwards who are the main authority for vaccines – if you have any issue with this information, then you must attack them for “anti-vaccination propaganda”.
@Old Bob
No, not exactly. To the best of my knowledge, they all say that there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, despite lots of research. But for all intents and purposes, this indeed amounts to saying that, no, vaccines do not cause autism.
WHAT can I see from Plotkin?
WHAT hypothesis do they refuse to test? It can’t be the hypothesis that vaccines cause autism, because that hypothesis has been tested ad nauseam, without any evidence found supporting it.
Yes, they can do that, because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that vaccines cause autism.
Excuse me? So far, the liar here on every occasion turns out to be you, not those scientists who say that vaccines don’t cause autism. And what tests are you talking about that they ‘refused to carry out’?
You are lying again. There are LOTS of studies into a possible link between autism and vaccines. Each and every one of which came up negative.
Once again: what tests are you talking about? Oh, wait, do you mean that testing of newly developed vaccines did not include tests for autism?
Well, no, of course not, you idiot! There are at least 10,000 known human medical conditions. Are you really suggesting that any new vaccine should be tested against all of those? Or even a subset of more common diseases?
So because Plotkin declared under oath that vaccines were initially(*) not tested for causing autism, you and other braindead antivaxxers conclude that Plotkin is lying if he says that vaccines don’t cause autism, and therefore that they in fact do cause autism.
*: And they sure as hell were tested later, as shown above.
I believe that I should congratulate you, as you appear to have reached new, hitherto uncharted levels of stupidity. It is truly amazing that you even manage to keep breathing, given the dysfunctionality of what, for want of a better word, we shall call your brain.
From the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html
[quote]
“Vaccines do not cause autism”
[end of quote]
(Look for the big, bold heading, paragraph 2)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-sues-pfizer-over-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-claims/ar-AA1kNL3R
Interview with Shanna Carroll
Shanna’s daughter died a few weeks after getting the 2nd Pfizer jab. She is looking for answers, and wants to tell her story:
https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com/upost/4948516/interview-with-shanna-carroll
Many people died a few weeks after getting the 2nd Pfizer jab.
that does not meat they died BECAUSE OF it
“Many people died a few weeks after getting the 2nd Pfizer jab.
that does not meat they died BECAUSE OF it”
● EVERYONE will die AFTER getting one or more vaccinations, but very few will die BECAUSE OF it.
● EVERYONE else will die AFTER getting ZERO vaccinations, and many will die BECAUSE OF this.
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RGJohn[Texas suing Pfizer]
It’s not so much Texas that is suing Pfizer, but Ken Paxton, an ultra-conservative Republican COVID loon who has, among other things, sued local governments for implementing measures to curb the spread of COVID. This is also the man who wants women to die rather than having an abortion that could save their life. And oh, of course he also supported a certain narcissistic sociopathic former president’s false claims to power after losing the 2020 election.
Christian Terhes explains in his opening speech, day 2 November 19th 2023, 8:00 here:
https://www.internationalcovidsummit.com/
[quote]
…
So a few days ago, the European Commission released an official answer to one of my colleagues, the Croatian guy. The one with long here, Ivan Sincic. He asked, “In the amount of August this year, how many people died after being injected with this medical product?” And the answer was the following, and I quote, “11,977 people died spontaneously,” and I repeat, spontaneously. They were injected and they died a few minutes later. 11,977, that’s a lot of people.
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[end of quote]
why do you insist on quoting such utter BS?
Unfortunately it is not BS, as the attending MPs in UK parliament will see:
MP Andrew Bridgen is joined by Dr David E. Martin, Dr Robert Malone, Dr Ryan Cole, Dr Pierre Kory, Professor Angus Dalgleish & Steve Kirsch who will be giving expert testimony on the Pandemic & its consequences. With video addresses from Dr Peter McCullough AND Dr Mike Yeadon
oh dear, you should stop digging; you are deep enough in the proverbial already!
@Old Bob
Yup, I think that about sums up most of the Covidiot freak show crew. Each and every one of these people is known for spreading (increasingly) outrageous lies, nonsense and BS about COVID-19 and COVID vaccines. Right now Steve Kirsch has taken the lead in this Parade of Idiots by claiming that COVID vaccines have killed over 13 million people(*), based on nothing more than one man’s utterly flawed interpretation of statistical data.
*: 13 million deaths represents about 20% of the annual number of deaths worldwide (~66 million), so Kirsch claims that 1 in every 5 deaths worldwide was caused by COVID vaccines. This notion is so utterly stupid that it hurts the brain.
No they won’t because none of them is an expert. What they are is a collection of delusional and inconsequential cranks. Kirsch in particular has had his torrents of ignorant BS ripped to pieces by many. He lies, misrepresents, misunderstands and self-contradicts. He’s also about to get into trouble for breaches of confidentiality.
And the claim that they’ll be speaking in parliament is equally wrong. Bridgen has hired a room in Westminster.
Richard Rasker on Sunday 03 December 2023 at 17:00 said:
“…It’s not so much Texas that is suing Pfizer, but Ken Paxton, an ultra-conservative Republican COVID loon who has, among other things, sued local governments for implementing measures to curb the spread of COVID…”
No, it’s not down to one individual. It’s world-wide, starting with Brooke Jackson. Robert Barnes (defense) outlines the implications here from about 01:16:00:
https://rumble.com/v3zdwds-ep.-189-trump-trials-texas-sues-pfizer-santos-expelled-barnes.html
[rough-quote with my errors]
“…we’re filing an opposition to the motion to dismiss, in the Brooke Jackson pending in Beaumont Texas, pending on their defrauding the American people of billions of dollars based on their saying it was a safe and effective vaccine based on the prevention of covid 19, was not safe, not effective, didn’t prevent covid 19… they didn’t deliver what they promised… this was systemic fraud by Pfizer in my view the biggest public health fraud in world history… every district attorney has this power, so there’s no excuse, Paxton has shown the path, there’s no excuse for other AGs, other DAs to protect their citizenry…
…that in itself is a lie. I’ve been watching football games from Pfizer and Moderna who are still calling it a vaccine, still saying it can prevent covid 19 when they know it’s a big fat lie. They are continuing the fraud because they have the political cover of the Biden administration not taking corrective and remedial action. It’s long overdue but it’s great the States are now taking corrective and remedial action…
…some people get confused, they say he’s got to prove certain types of fraud, no he doesn’t, he doesn’t have to prove, what you have to prove, to sue Pfizer individually for injury.The State powers to enforce their laws is not covered in this immunity… individuals can’t sue Pfizer, outside of extraordinary circumstances however a State can and a State can bring criminal prosecutions against them…
…There’s more than enough evidence out there, from the Brooke Jackson case, from the whistle-blowers disclosures this week out of NZ and other places, raising questions about excess deaths, Iceland is talking about freezing the covid vaccines because of their spike in excess deaths, you’re seeing more, Edward Doud has detailed it, Doud has pointed out the number of disabilities and deaths directly tied to the introduction of the covid 19 vaccine in various populaces around the world and you’re talking about millions of disabilities and deaths.
No drug has ever killed people at this scale, at this speed, and it happened because they lied. The first person who exposed their lies was Brooke Jackson and so we are to continue to fight on her behalf and hope the court will allow the case to go to discovery as the evidence mounts from other State actors, from other courts… what Obama called it, “One big public experiment.”
…
[end-of-rough-quote]
@Old Bob
Yeah, and there was also more than enough evidence out there that the 2020 US election was stolen, enough to launch well over 60 lawsuits, and for Sidney Powell to threaten to release the kraken.
And oh, the earth is flat, and Santa is real. But he’s orange, not red, and his first name is Donald. But you knew all this already, of course.
On the upside: Darwin says that antivaxxers and other people who believe COVID misinformation will eventually become extinct. No, not because of some nefarious conspiracy, but simply because they will die from infectious diseases in larger numbers than vaccinated people.
(Although joining the ranks of vaccinated people in order to increase your chances of survival may almost be considered a conspiracy to put antivaxxers at a disadvantage …)
@John
Welcome back, RG.
He never left.
Many people did not report the side effects of Covid due to being dead.
Of course! It’s so clear now you put it that way! The sars cov 2 virus has extensive knowledge of immunology and simply laughs in the face of anything it does not consider to be a vaccine. Because it read it somewhere on social media.
Anti-vaxxer is an appropriate term for the sort of people who hide behind being “cautious and conducting due diligence” about vaccines while bandying about loaded language about being “jabbed with a cocktail of synthetic chemicals” and drawing attention to rare but known side-effects while ignoring the benefits and downplaying the effects of the actual disease.
If you mean actual antiviral drugs, why would they? If you mean the mRNA vaccines, why would they?
@Mojo
When anti-vaxxers refer to mRNA vaccines as antiviral drug they are misguidedly alluding to classical definition of vaccine where in it contains viral particles attenuated or otherwise. Perhaps they are even going back to Edward Jenner’s time. Since mRNA vaccine doesn’t contain viral particles, it is not considered a vaccine. They might even call getting coughed on one’s face by a covid patient, a vaccine, because it provides “superior” “natural” immunity. Who can forget the pox parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party, conceived by the stupidest of the stupid living among us.
COVID Vaccine: UPDATE
“But the CDC missed its deadline. A spokesperson cited a delay in “the technical and administrative processes” necessary to post on the agency’s website, but said it hopes to have the information up by late November or early December.
In the meantime, the CDC handed over the v-safe data (minus personal identifying information) to the plaintiff in the FOIA case, the Informed Consent Action Network, or ICAN, a Texas-based nonprofit that says it opposes “medical coercion” in favor of individual healthcare choices.
ICAN crunched the numbers on its own and came up with some statistics that its lawyer says appear to be “alarming.”
According to ICAN, 7.7% of the v-safe users — 782,913 people — reported seeking medical attention via a telehealth appointment, urgent care clinic, emergency room intervention or hospitalization following a COVID-19 vaccine.
About 25% of v-safe users said they experienced symptoms that required them to miss school or work or prevented them from doing other normal activities, according to ICAN’s “dashboard” that summarizes the results.”
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/new-data-is-out-covid-vaccine-injury-claims-whats-make-it-2022-10-12/
See also
● https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Del_Bigtree#Informed_Consent_Action_Network
● https://americanloons.blogspot.com/2022/08/2558-del-bigtree.html
From here:
https://icandecide.org/article/ican-v-cdc-cdc-cannot-support-its-claim-that-vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/
[quote]
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ICAN was therefore forced to sue the CDC in federal court, where the CDC finally entered into a stipulation, signed by a federal court judge, that made clear it cannot scientifically support its claim that these vaccines do not cause autism.
In this stipulation and court order, the CDC finally identified a total of 16 studies and 4 reviews (i.e., a review of studies on a given topic) that it relies on to claim that the vaccines given to babies do not cause autism. Not one of these studies or reviews supports the claim that vaccines injected into babies – DTaP, Hep B, Hib, PCV13, and IPV – do not cause autism. Instead, these studies/reviews include:
1 study concerning MMR (not a vaccine about which ICAN inquired);
13 studies concerning thimerosal (not an ingredient in any vaccine about which ICAN inquired);
3 reviews and 1 study concerning both MMR and thimerosal;
1 study concerning antigen (not vaccine) exposure; and
1 review concerning MMR, thimerosal, and DTaP.
Only one of the studies or reviews listed by the CDC concerned a vaccine given to babies. This was a 2012 review by the IOM, paid for by the CDC, which conducted a comprehensive review looking specifically for studies relating to DTaP and autism. The IOM concluded that it could not identify a single study to support that DTaP does not cause autism. Instead, the only relevant study the IOM could identify found an association between DTaP and autism.
In other words, the only study identified by the CDC in the court-ordered stipulation that actually reviewed a vaccine given to babies with regard to autism found that there is nothing supporting the CDC’s claim that the vaccine does not cause autism!
The most recent data from CDC reveals that 1 in 36 children born this year in the United States will have an autism diagnosis. This is a true epidemic. The CDC and health authorities have conducted a decades-long media campaign seeking to assure parents that vaccines do not cause autism. But making such statements without supporting studies is, at best, grossly irresponsible.
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As to proving a claim such as “…these vaccines do not cause autism”: indeed, for the same reason that it is logically impossible to prove a claim such as “…these vaccines do not cause aliens to visit Earth”. [Well, something was causing my repeated alien abductions.]
What is the ICAN budget as of 2023? It appears to have grown circa fourfold during the pandemic.
Keep up the entertainment, Old Bob. 😆
@Old Bob
Your immense stupidity is only exceeded by your relentless repetition of the same old long-debunked lies – lies that you didn’t even make up yourself.
It is very, very simple:
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM, PERIOD.(*)
Antivaxx dumbasses such as Del Bigtree can whine all they want, but they simply have no idea what they are talking about – they wouldn’t know scientific evidence if it bit them in the arse. And, by extension, neither would you, so you can stop parroting his crap.
*: Just for comparison: scientists found no link whatsoever between vaccines and type 1 diabetes. So no specific tests are done to establish if vaccines do or do not cause diabetes. Which apparently would be ‘evidence’ to antivaxxers that scientists are lying about it, and that vaccines DO cause type 1 diabetes. After all, the prevalence of type 1 diabetes is rising, so vaccines must be the cause, right? So there you have it: antivaxxers can ‘prove’ that vaccines are the cause of virtually every disease under the sun.
Richard Rasker on Sunday 26 November 2023 at 11:00 shouted:
“…THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM, PERIOD.(*)…”
Simply because the CDC / FDA / Pfizer / etc have refused to look for any as proven by Plotkin and Edwards’ evidence on oath (let alone the results of the FIOAs by ICAN).
But, the CDC posts (see above link) that “Vaccines do not cause autism” – which is evidently a lie because they have refused to look for any link, so they *cannot* know what they claim.
@ Old Blob
You shouldn’t drink and comment. You make us think you are out of your mind.
@Old Bob
If you want to claim that vaccines have anything to do with autism then YOU MUST SHOW US EVIDENCE to that extent. There is no such evidence at all. Nothing, nada, zilch.
Yet you and other imbeciles keep claiming that this very absence of any evidence is in fact proof that there IS a link … Yeah, and the absence of credible evidence that the earth is flat in fact proves that flat-earthers are right.
I’d say that just reading your ‘comments’ is a serious mental health hazard.
Richard Rasker on Sunday 26 November 2023 at 16:50 said:
“…There is no such evidence at all. Nothing, nada, zilch…”
You share that sentiment with most of the world’s governments, most of the world’s media, Bill Gates, etc and you are welcome to it: to the safety-in-numbers theory, except that none of them even know you exist e.g. folks who have died from the covid-shot are still trying to get their £120,000 from the UK government, years later:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61898694
Vaccines have been damaging the CNS from the beginning:
https://twitter.com/MidwesternDoc/status/1727033495334396182
The evidence is everywhere e.g.:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=william+thompson%27s+vaccine+cover+up+evidence&PC=U316&FPIG=BD067EC994724DBEB47A86FE5182F3A4&first=6&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dwilliam%2bthompson%2527s%2bvaccine%2bcover%2bup%2bevidence%26PC%3dU316%26FPIG%3dBD067EC994724DBEB47A86FE5182F3A4%26first%3d6%26FORM%3dPERE&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=434039CB8BD8D00417A6434039CB8BD8D00417A6&FORM=WRVORC
But, by ignoring it, the gentlemen of the House Committee can claim: “There is no evidence!”
Today in the UK, you have the Hallet inquiry, that has pre-judged that e.g. lockdowns are not to be questioned, to the extent that it is only how soon they should have been done!
If you think your government has your best interests, then you must do what they say, but maybe, just maybe, you can bring yourself to understand that a parent who gave their baby a vaccine just before they became autistic, that they should be allowed to express their concern that the vaccine could be the cause (having exhausted all others because no parent wants to admit that it might be their own fault!) – it is the violent response to that, that causes the parent to doubt Authority – the biggest “evidence” is the blanket denial, the ridicule, the name-calling. The biggest clue is the lack of any scientific interest, let alone scientific response.
@Old Bob
The potentially deadly side effect of the AstraZeneca vaccine has indeed been signalled and confirmed – by vaccine makers and scientists, NOT by antivaxxers. Also, the vaccine was almost immediately put on hold as soon as there were signs that it might indeed cause serious health problems.
And even though these side effects are extremely rare (you have a far bigger chance of e.g. dying in traffic), people who suffered health problems or the loss of a loved one should indeed be compensated.
All the rest of the crap you are spewing is just the usual lies and nonsense. No, vaccines do NOT damage the central nervous system, and no, there is no cover-up of other harmful effects.
Just think for a moment (yes, I know I’m asking the impossible): if vaccine makers and scientists are liars and frauds who try to keep the detrimental effects of vaccines secret, then why on earth did they readily admit that the AstraZeneca vaccine may cause dangerous blood clots, and also stopped using it right away? With only 1 in about 150,000 AZ vaccine recipients affected, they could have easily swept this under the rug. Not only would this have been far better for vaccine makers’ profits, but it would even have been much better for public trust in vaccines – ALL vaccines. Yet they chose to warn the public as soon as they suspected this problem.
So tell me: why did vaccine makers and scientists choose to be cautious and public-minded on one occasion, but (according to antivaxxers like you) did the complete opposite on other occasions, and couldn’t care less about people dying because of their products?
The answer is of course simple: antivaxxers are wrong. And unfortunately, they’re also stupid – way too stupid to even consider the notion that they may be wrong. They Believe with a capital B in the Evil of Vaccines, and there’s nothing that could convince them otherwise.
Richard Rasker on Monday 27 November 2023 at 13:29 said:
“…With only 1 in about 150,000 AZ vaccine recipients affected, they could have easily swept this under the rug. Not only would this have been far better for vaccine makers’ profits, but it would even have been much better for public trust in vaccines…”
You Advocate lying to the public as “…better for public trust…” – they disagree with you as you continue:
“…Yet they chose to warn the public as soon as they suspected this problem.”
Because truth, in the long term, is better than propaganda.
I TRUNCATED YOUR COMMENT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I FEEL THAT YOU HAD ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY TO POST YOUR ANTIVAX BS AND WILL NOT POST ANY MORE OF IT.
EDZARD ERNST
“It’s notable that ICAN has a history of vaccine skepticism. Its founder, Del Bigtree, is known for producing the 2016 documentary “Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe,” which may be why the group’s findings have received scant media coverage.
Look. I believe vaccines save lives, and I eagerly received COVID-19 shots. I have no interest in being an anti-vax mouthpiece.
But I also believe in maximum government transparency.
Siri said that the v-safe information offers a unique window: millions of people, all “answering identical questions, making the data susceptible to calculating a rate for each harm reported.” He has point.
It indicates that, at a minimum, hundreds of thousands of people experienced health events that they considered “severe” following the shot and sought medical care.”
@Krishna
There are several major problems with v-safe:
– Participants are still a self-selected group.
– Participants can register after the fact, i.e. after being vaccinated. This means that you inevitably get a much higher proportion of participants who experience(d) side effects, because people who experience side effects are far more likely to register than people who had no side effects at all. And the more severe the side effects, the higher the propensity to register and report those side effects.
– People can report side effects long after the fact, relying on memory – something that has proven itself notoriously unreliable in research.
– Reports are not verified through e.g. medical records, so people can make up or exaggerate side effects.
And I’m not even certain if v-safe has built-in protection against fake accounts or multiple accounts.
So even if Bigtree is telling the truth about the v-safe data (which I find unlikely), then this still tells us nothing about the real-world prevalence or nature of side effects.
Richard Rasker on Sunday 26 November 2023 at 16:40 said
“There are several major problems with v-safe:
– Participants are still a self-selected group.
– Participants can register after the fact…”
So, don’t allow participants and reporting after the fact? Perfect!
No, that’s not what was meant.
In fact, the article that Krishna linked to says similar things to what Richard Rasker said: