Many people believe that homeopathy is essentially plant-based – but they are mistaken! Homeopathic remedies can be made from anything: Berlin wall, X-ray, pus, excrement, dental plaque, mobile phone rays, poisons … anything you can possibly think of. So, why not from vaccines?
This is exactly what a pharmacist specialized in homeopathy thought.
It has been reported that the ‘Schloss-Apotheke’ in Koblenz, Germany offered for sale a homeopathic remedy made from the
Pfizer vaccine. This has since prompted not only the Chamber of Pharmacists but also the Paul Ehrlich Institute and Pfizer to issue statements. On Friday (30/4/2021) morning, the pharmacy had advertised homeopathic remedies based on the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine. The Westphalia-Lippe Chamber of Pharmacists then issued an explicit warning against it. “We are stunned by this,” said a spokesman. The offer has since disappeared from the pharmacy’s website.
On Friday afternoon, the manufacturer of the original vaccine also intervened. The Paul Ehrlich Institute released a statement making it clear that a vaccine is only safe “if it is administered in accordance with the marketing authorization.”
The Schloss-Apotheke had advertised the product in question with the following words:
“We have Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19-Vaccine in potentized form up to D30 as globules or dilution (for discharge) in stock.”
The chamber of pharmacists countered with a warming under the heading “Facts instead of Fake News” on Facebook and Instagram:
“Whatever they might contain: These remedies are no effective protection against Covid-19.”
Pharmacy manager, Annette Eichele, of the Schloss-Apotheke claimed she had not sold homeopathic Corona vaccines and stressed that effective vaccines of this kind do not exist. According to Eichele, only an additional “mini drop” of the original Biontech vaccine had been used and “highly potentized” and prepared homeopathically. According to Eichele, Corona vaccinations that had already been administered were thus to have a “better and more correct effect with this supplementary product, possibly without causing side effects … but this is not scientifically proven”. The homeopathic product had been produced only on customer request and had been sold less than a dozen times in the past weeks. Ten grams of the remedy were sold for about 15 Euros. On Twitter, Eichele stated: „Wir haben nichts Böses getan, wir wollten nur Menschen helfen!“ (We have done nothing evil, we only wanted to help people). I am reminded yet again of Bert Brecht who observed:
“The opposite of good is not evil but good intentions”.
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Homeopaths’ ideas about remedies made from vaccines can be a bit odd. There seem to be three categories –
1. Treatment/prevention of disease. Influenzium is the most obvious example – it’s made from the annual flu vaccine.
2. Alleviation/prevention of side effects of the named vaccine.
3. Removal of “vaccine damage” a la CEASE therapy.
I would not be surprised if other homeopathic pharmacies are also offering remedies made from COVID vaccines. IIRC, I think Ainsworths do, along with a COVID nosode (see http://ukhomeopathyregulation.blogspot.com/2020/05/coronavirus-antics-3.html )
The homeopath claimed she sourced the vaccine from the dregs of doses in a Koblenz vaccination centre and an old people’s home. Classy way to make a bit of cash on the side.
I wonder if taking the disposed vaccine remnants could also have legal consequences for the pharmacy manager. People have already been sentenced for “dumpster diving” (called “containern”) in Germany.
No problem – what’s the fuss?
Homeopathic remedies have no effect on any condition.
What they are ‘made of’ is irrelevant.
A homeopathic remedy for symptoms of Covid-19 is as good BS is as good as hot air is as good as a commercial vaccine.
Surely all patients know that?
They’ve been told often enough.
If the german government is content to allow charlatans to practise, so be it.
In the UK, homeopathic remedies may not be prescribed to NHS patients unless failure to do so would be likely to result in them suffering from significant pschological distress, only cureable by the enjoying the placebo effect of a homeopathic remedy. Such patients should be under the care of psychiatrists.
Others can turn to the private sector, because the UK is a (relatively) ‘free country’ and every patient should appreciate ‘caveat emptor’ .
A remedy made up to ‘ingemisca 30C’ would do just as well. (Sighs!)
€1.50/gm of water!
Hang on a minute, even according to homeopathy this is insane. Surely the correct procedure would have been to get the vaccine, imbibe it, check which symptoms (supposedly) appear, and then use the “remedy” for those same symptoms. The vaccine doesn’t induce exactly the same symptoms as covid, at least not in everyone (which,incidentally I’ve been meaning to talk to homeopaths about too– controlling for variability across different people!). Really the homeopathic covid vaccine should only be used for people with symptoms of headache or blood clots or whatever– not protecting people in advance from getting the Corona virus.
This homeopath has even got their own pseudo-science wrong!
As usual. According to homeopathy’s base principles, administering highly diluted vaccine to healthy persons should evoke the commonly observed side effects of real vaccination (as this is essentially the same procedure as a proving).
And when someone experiences side effects (or ‘symptoms’, in homeospeak) from a real vaccination, this ‘remedy’ should fix that.
Either way, even if homeopathy would work as claimed, this ‘remedy’ would neither prevent nor cure Covid-19, as no Covid-19 symptoms are involved in any way.
And, as usual, other homeopaths keep silent, instead of criticizing their brethren for this foolishness made up on the spot.
(And on the subject of homeopathic foolishness: maybe they should try again with
dilutedpotentized ventilator machine against severe Covid-19 symptoms. After all, homeopaths have based ‘remedies’ on even stranger things, such as shipwrecks and even light from distant planets …)It was only a matter of time.
Should a potentised vaccine not only cancel out the side effects but also the main effect of the vaccination?
good point!
so, it’s lucky that it does not work
I can see that you guys are having fun tearing down homeopathy. But I have some questions for you. What is your experience and training in this subject that makes you such experts? Have you ever prescribed a homeopathic remedy? Have you ever learned to use a homeopathic Repertory or studied a homeopathic materia medica or learned how the philosophy of homeopathy is applied to the treatment of patients? ? Have you ever spent time in a clinic with a homeopathic practitioner to see how a case is taken and analyzed and then seen what happens after a homeopathic remedy is given to a patient?
It’s strange that the use of homeopathy has spread all over the world in the 200 or so years since its origin. What are all those people who use it and swear by it, thinking? Are they all just stupid?
I agree that it’s hard to explain why homeopathy works but that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t. Perhaps we have difficulty with this because we tend to think in terms of Newtonian physics and the associated concepts of chemistry. How can something diluted beyond Avogadro’s number have any effect? But if you look at it from the point of view of quantum physics it starts to make more sense. Quantum physics says that everything is energy of various frequencies and patterns. Homeopathy says that each homeopathic remedy/medicine has a distinctive energy pattern that resonates with a distinctive pattern of symptoms. When given to a patient who has that distinctive pattern of symptoms the remedy first creates an artificial disease (aggravation) that is similar to the patient’s disease (primary reaction) and this triggers the body to react against both the artificial and real diseases and begin the process of healing (secondary reaction).
At least give it some thought. You might learn something besides the rehashing of your own opinions.
You are playing homeopathic b*llshit Bingo? Well, here it goes.
BINGO!
Steve. I have never performed a rain dance. I have never studied rain dancing. I know nothing about the steps involved and how they should be performed and in what order to best trigger rainfall.
None of which prevents me from saying, correctly, that rain dancing is bunkum.
And homeopathy is to science and medicine what rain dancing is to meteorology.
We only need to know how to correctly conduct a clinical trial and interpret the results. And those show us that magic shaken water has no effect beyond placebo. Homeopaths believe otherwise. But humans believe a lot of foolish things.
Steve
As physics Professor Jim Al-Khalili has said: “Let me make this very clear: if you think quantum mechanics allows for homeopathy, psychic phenomena, ESP etc then you’d better take a proper course in quantum mechanics”.
Edzard devoted a thread to this subject – “Explaining Homeopathy with Quantum Bollocks – a while back. Read about it here.
According to this reasoning, a judge needs to have personally murdered, raped, robbed and swindled to be qualified to judge cases that involve such crimes???
Eh, no not stupid. Just ignorant, delusional and happy to make some money and perceived prestige from playing doctor.
I change my mind… this is definitely stupid!
Great explanation! We have used Homeopathy exclusively for health care with our 4 generational family for 35+ years with great success! The real test is treating animals…don’t think they know about Placebo Effect??? We have saved horses, goats, chickens, dogs+ All who were examined by vet who said they would not survive. The vet offered to euthanize them but instead we have given remedy and all survived. We ordered remedy for Cl9 very early and have helped numerous others along the way. It’s a ridiculously cheap means of healing! Many never give it a chance and believe fake news(ie big pharma) without studying Medical History. Look up Homeopathy and the 1918 flu…you can see the great results Homeopathic physicians had compared to the lack of success allopathic doctors had. If you are brave and want to know truth, study the beginnings of allopathic medicine. In 1900 nearly all hospitals in US were Homeopathic.
” The real test is treating animals…don’t think they know about Placebo Effect??? ”
I think you might be out of your depth here – part of the placebo effect was discovered in dogs [look up Pavlov]
@Jane
So if I understand correctly, you had a sick animal that, according to your vet, was beyond help and could only be put down in his or her opinion. But you managed to cure the animal with homeopathy. And then another animal got sick, and once again you got in the vet, who once again could only offer to euthanise the poor beast. And this happened again … and again … for at least a half-dozen times. Each and every time the vet concluded that the situation was hopeless, and each and every time, homeopathy provided the magical cure.
Now, tell me, don’t you think this sounds a bit strange? Why on earth would you call the vet after the first few occasions when (s)he would only suggest putting the sick animal down? Especially when your homeopathic treatment provided the miracle cure? According to what you say, this must have happened at least a half-dozen times. Why not consult another vet if this one only offered to kill your animals?
And why did those animals get so sick in the first place? Did you (or the vet) even try to find the cause of those diseases?
I am sorry, but I think your story is made up. And even if it isn’t, it is still just an anecdote that proves nothing. If those events took place over many decades, then a far more likely explanation is that those sick animals got better by themselves – most ailments resolve naturally, and that goes for animals as well as people. This doesn’t even involve a placebo effect.
And it is also likely that you have forgotten about all those occasions where an animal was not cured, but died instead. Believers in homeopathy tend to remember only the ‘successes’ and forget any failures.
Yes I have used homoeopathy for over 40 yrs for my children and animals and now grandchildren.
Could you explain it for us, then, in terms of quantum physics?
Er… No, I don’t think that is what quantum physics says. Perhaps you are over-simplifying, though. Maybe if you go into more detail it will make more sense. However, you will have to take me through the wave equations as I don’t have enough maths to solve them on my own.
Love you! You’re so right!!!!!
I think this remedy’s intent is to cure the side-effects of the vaccine. It makes sense from the principle of homeopathy.
No, that would be isopathy.
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You may want to check out Prof. Dr. Ernst’s background and credentials at this point …
Yes.
Or more precisely: those who believe in, practice and sell hompeopathy are people who fool themselves and their customers, and the ones who pay good money to get treated with homeopathy are mostly gullible people who lack the knowledge to distinguish between real and fake medicine.
Why do I know this to be true? Because there is not the smallest shred of evidence that homeopathy actually works. It cannot work and it does not work; any perceived therapeutic effects are simply placebo effects, wishful thinking and some other ways by which the human mind tricks us into seeing things that are not real.
Our natural laws also say that homeopathy cannot possibly work. If you dilute a substance beyond the point that the last molecule or atom is gone, there is NOTHING left of that substance, and that includes ‘patterns’ of any kind – which disappear in picoseconds through the action of Brownian motion.
The only remaining pattern of that substance resides in the head of the homeopath, and is better known as ‘memory’. The homeopathic preparation in the vial before him, however, is just plain water, without any special properties. This is also evidenced by the fact that no homeopath has ever succeeded in telling a homeopathic preparation and water apart.
And actual quantum-physicists say that this is gibberish made up by people who don’t understand quantum physics at all.
Here’s something to think about: experiments in quantum physics WORK. Quantum phenomena such as quantization of (real(*)) energy, entanglement, wave functions and other fundamental properties of the quantum world have been reliably proven to exist, often by relatively simple experiments – over and over again.
Homeopathy, on the other hand, has NEVER been shown to work in a repeatable manner. Or can you point me to scientific experiments that reliably demonstrate that, yes, indeed, the similia principle or the law of infinitesimals are real phenomenona? Or can you point out a ‘remedy’ that has indeed survived double-blind randomized clinical trials as a effective medicine? You know, tests with real sick people, not the utterly ludicrous ritual of proving that homeopaths claim is a reliable way to identify medicines.
All we have is claims by homeopaths and their customers that they see it work. Which are simply explained by the peculiarities of the human mind described above. Homeopathy is a system of belief, a cult, with the placebo effect as its primary pillar. At best, it can make people feel better, but it can’t make them better.
*: Not the pseudoscientific ‘energy’ or ‘energy patterns’ that do not exist, and are only invoked to ‘explain’ other things that don’t exist in reality either.
the usual witch hunt by so called scientists who know absolutely nothing about homeopathy.
I would have liked to buy it to balance the side effects of the vaccine
Care to point out what we don’t know about homeopathy, Mariya?
I only heard of homeopathy over the past year or so. But I can tell from experience that it absolutely works. And if it’s acute, almost immediately. I don’t care what the “science” is behind it. I only care about the results. I wasn’t a believer, but I certainly am now.
Ask yourself this, if it’s harmless and just placebo, why is the FDA working overtime to ban it when it was originally grandfathered in…..
” I only care about the results.”
SO DOES SCIENCE!
@Krista Tipton
Thank you for sharing your experience. However, the fact that your medical problem apparently resolved AFTER using homeopathy does not automatically mean that homeopathy CAUSED the improvement. There are several well-known mechanisms that can explain or contribute to your experience, such as the placebo effect, regression to the mean, the fact that most ailments naturally resolve over time, so-called expectation bias, and several more.
The simple fact is that homeopathy cannot and does not work – but having researched quite a few cases such as yours, I also know how extremely strong and convincing the illusion of effectiveness can be, especially in the case of personal experience. So I certainly can’t blame you for your belief. The only thing that I can advise you is to keep an open mind – in particular open to the possibility that you may be wrong about homeopathy after all.
@Richard Rasker
“There are several well-known mechanisms that can explain or contribute to your experience, such as the placebo effect, regression to the mean, the fact that most ailments naturally resolve over time, so-called expectation bias, and several more.”
It that’s true Richard, then the same can be said for illnesses treated by MD’s.
“the same can be said for illnesses treated by MD’s”
YES, OF COURSE!
That’s one reason we have proper clinical trials to differentiate between specific and non-specific effects.
@RG
Good to see that you are getting the point. Indeed, both regular medicine and alternative ‘medicine’ can evoke placebo effects and other effects that falsely give the impression of efficacy.
The main difference between regular medicine and alternative ‘medicine’ is this:
– Most diagnoses in regular medicine are correct, and as a result, many treatments in regular medicine are effective beyond placebo.
– Virtually all diagnoses in alternative medicine are wrong, which inevitably means that virtually all treatments in alternative ‘medicine’ are ineffective, except of course for placebo effects. There is always placebo.
RR: Most diagnoses in regular medicine are correct
True, about 5% are classified as incorrect. That’s around 12 million US adults a year.
RR: and as a result, many treatments in regular medicine are effective beyond placebo.
That is an assumption.
RR: Virtually all diagnoses in alternative medicine are wrong
Maybe. Some alt med is based up the same diagnosis as the medical, it’s the treatment that differs.
RR: which inevitably means that virtually all treatments in alternative ‘medicine’ are ineffective
Another assumption
You can buy it mail order from a small number of pharmacies in various countries.
Many homeopaths don’t like isopathy/tautopathy.
“You know nothing about homeopathy!!!” is a standard accusation but how do you determine that? Easy to say, difficult to prove. In reality, the one thing that anyone needs to know about is that there is no compelling evidence that it has any effect greater than that which is consistent with placebo.
@Richard Rasker
Cmon Richard
Today you are claiming that most diagnosis in regular medicine are correct.
Just the other day you were claiming “even doctors with at least 15,000 hours of education and internships, regularly get it wrong or simply can’t tell what’s wrong with someone.”
Which one is it ? … you can’t have it both ways.
I listen to you Richard, you should listen to yourself ? … lol
there is no contradiction!
@RG
Yes, that is indeed what I said. Your memory appears to function correctly, so I do believe we’re making progress!
Your general numeracy, however, still could use some work. Please allow me to enlighten you:
– Research suggests that about one in every twenty diagnoses is wrong.
– Let’s assume that another one in twenty diagnoses is inconclusive, i.e. that the doctor can’t find anything wrong (so far, I have not found any hard numbers on inconclusive diagnoses).
So in all, I’d say that about one in every ten diagnoses is either wrong or does not identify a cause of a patient’s symptoms. This, I believe, fits the definition of ‘regularly’.
This of course also means that doctors diagnose their patients’ problems correctly in about 90% of cases. Which, again, can be adequately described as ‘most diagnoses’.
But if you think that my choice of qualitative adjectives and adverbs is somehow incorrect, please let me know. After all, English is not my native language.
That is good to hear. More people should listen to each other instead of just blindly asserting their own truth.
Oops, correction:
Words like ‘most’ and ‘regularly’ are of course quantitative, not qualitative.
Richard,
Your English is easy to understand and enjoyable to read.
In case you are interested…
When used as a determiner, most is the superlative form of many.
Synonym: almost all.
“90–95% of diagnoses in regular medicine are correct” → “most diagnoses in regular medicine are correct” [as you stated].
Hahaha
You are all spin-doctors.
There is an old adage.
“Figures don’t lie, but liars sure can figure.”
@RG
What on earth are you rambling about? How can one ‘spin’ the meaning of simple words such as ‘regularly’ and ‘most’ – especially in the context of what I say (and even support with numbers)?
Are you saying that I’m lying about what I came up with myself? What an exceedingly odd thing to say … (and please note how carefully I avoid using demeaning terms such as ‘insane’ and ‘idiot’).
If you think that something I say isn’t true, then please a) point out what it is in your opinion that isn’t true, and b) why this isn’t true. Just calling someone a liar is not really conducive to constructive communication.