MD, PhD, FMedSci, FRSB, FRCP, FRCPEd.

‘HOMEOPATHY RESOURCE’ claim they are the online web site for accurate information on homeopathy, homeopaths and homeopathic organizations. On 18 June, they published an article entitled “Another Remarkable Demonstration of Homeopathy’s Effectiveness in Covid-19: ONLY 19 Deaths out of 35 million in Kerala, India”. Here it is in its full beauty:

The State of Kerela India has shown that homeopathy and grassroots health care works dramatically well in epidemic and pandemic situations.. The state, in spite of areas of great density, has reported only 19 deaths. This compares to the UK which has a population of 66 million people but a tragic 41,698 deaths.

The region’s Health Minister Shailaja Teacher has been called the “Coronavirus Slayer” after introducing homeopathy as a primary means of dealing with the epidemic. Kerala India has already come through two Nipah virus epidemics under her watch.

Tactics used by Shailaja included encouraging the use of homeopathy. In a recent media meeting, she talked about the need “to improve the immunity and resistance power of each individual not yet positive to Coronavirus, with the help of Homeopathic/ Ayurvedic medicines. That will help them resist the Coronavirus infection, help them to tide over the infection well, if at all they contract it…… everyone should take Homeopathic & Ayurvedic preventative treatments available.”

According to Dr E.S.Rajendran who practices in Kerala “The total number of people who received the homeopathic preventive medicine Ars alb 30 through Kerala government as on June 1st was 10 million. An equal number of people have also received the same through voluntary organisations. The remaining population is expected to receive the preventive medicine in another one month.” This distribution was carried out in each district with the help of resident associations and was achievable because there is a huge demand for homeopathy from the people.

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Do ‘HOMEOPATHY RESOURCE’ really think that this is ‘accurate information’?

Do they feel that it amounts to evidence that homeopathy prevents COVID-19 infections?

Do they believe that it is responsible to promote such a message?

If so, they are more deluded than their homeopathic remedies are diluted!

There is a plethora of factors that might have contributed to the low infection rate in Kerela. Here are some that spring into my mind (in descending order of probability):

  1. Social distancing measures might have been put in place at the right time.
  2. Hand-washing might have been better accepted than in the UK.
  3. Face-masks might have been more common.
  4. The government might have been less incompetent than the one in the UK.
  5. The pandemic might be arriving with some delay in Kerela (in the last 2 days the COVID cases have more than doubled in Kerela).
  6. The hot weather might have inhibited the spread of the infection.
  7. The Ayurvedic medicine mentioned by the health minister might have worked.
  8. There might be many more cases due to under-diagnosis and poor testing.
  9. The holy cows might have prevented infections.
  10. Homeopathy works dramatically well in epidemic and pandemic situations.

Call me a sceptic, but – whatever turns out to be true (and I sincerely hope that the case numbers stay low in Kerela) – I do not think that ‘HOMEOPATHY RESOURCE’ is providing accurate information with their recent post.

And call me a pessimist, but I fail to see any good evidence to assume that homeopathic remedies have any effect in treating or preventing viral infections. In fact,

HIGHLY DILUTE HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES ARE PURE PLACEBOS! 

73 Responses to “Another Remarkable Demonstration of Homeopathy’s Effectiveness in Covid-19: ONLY 19 Deaths out of 35 million in Kerala, India”

  • Looking at what Wikipedia has on Covid-19 in Kerala – quite a lot, really – we seem to see a combination of rigorously applied conventional epidemic control measures:
    1) An effective “Break the Chain” campaign involving well-delivered public education about careful handwashing, and hand-wash stations set up in all public places;
    2) Strict quarantine measures, stronger than elsewhere;
    3) Strong and effectively applied protocols governing arrivals, departures, and population movements.

    There is nothing said about any homeopathic measures (due, no doubt some will say, to a conspiracy between Wikipedia and Big Pharma).

    If anything, we are reminded of how effective the simplest and best-known approaches are, when it comes to “Don’t spread germs”.

    Plus, of course, there is the question of how reliable the figures are, and how they were compiled.

  • They have the ‘medicines’. What they don’t have, is any evidence that they work better than placebo.

    I am not sure what “Ayush” is?

    • David B says a bit -lazy- “I am not sure what “Ayush” is”
      https://www.ayush.gov.in/
      This is great example of preventive healthcare.
      The regular healthcare in Western Europe and US can learn from them.

      UK and USA have the highest mortality rates related to COVID 19

      • good to see that you have humour
        your comment about AYUSH is hilarious

        • This is a very hilarious site. That s why i come in here once in a way. Just for the fun. But not too often.

          But in a more serious tone it is like a color blind person. seeing a red flower . That situation is very sad for an on-looker with great empathy.

          • @ Santra,

            EE bahut pakaata rehta hain. Wahi ka wahi, wahi ka wahi…. 😀 How do you find it hilarious ?

            This site is not funny.

        • If preventive healthcare was a –cornerstone– of conventional treatment there was not an epidemic of
          obese/diabetes in *UK and *US.
          (countries with a high Covid-19 mortality rate)
          As we all know, the big majority of Covid 19 victims are related to these chronic diseases.
          EU countries that offer more support for CAM therapies show a much lower mortalilty.

          Feeling responsible for your own health and using as few meds as possible is a matter of awareness.
          That is why it’s very important that CAM and lifestyle interventions are more integrated into regular health
          care. The more we follow the skeptic line, the more likely it is that health care will become unaffordable.

          Most pharmaceutical companies now produce (for cost reasons) their medicines in low-wage countries
          (India, China) and also test their medicines there.
          With many bad peripheral phenomena such as pollution and exploitation.

          Zembla is a Dutch research program, this is an international (english subtitles) version of
          the documentary “The real price of cheap medicines”.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=190by1BjAT8&t=57s

      • @Eelco_G

        Highest mortality rate is Belgium, followed by UK Spain Italy Sweden France… then the USA.

        https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    • AYUSH has been the centre of controversy since it put up its advisory in January 2020 saying that “Ars Alb 30 can be used ” for Covid 19. The back lash and critiicism was so much that AYUSH had to take one step back and say “we did not say treatment, we said it can boost immunity”. In fact me came across AYUSH after seeing the reports on the back lash. AYUSH is the Ministry for alternate medicine in INDIA (n fact its not really” alternate” medicine. AYUREDA is India ‘s own system of medicine more than 5000 yeears old)

      In India Ayurveda and Homeopathy are time tested and proved

      If it can act as Placebo , and cure let it be. Let us simply change the name to placebo. But do use it . It cures. Thats it

      Thats the evidence. What evidence does any one want to prove that fire burns/ Just put ur finger tip into the fire , it burns. It does not require a double blind RCT to prove that it burns. Or does it ?

  • Eelco_G, I am indeed quite a lazy person. Though earlier, in my defence, I was pressed for time and doing various things. I see now that AYUSH is the Indian equivalent of the acronym SCAM (So-Called Alternative Medicine).

  • Enhancing the body’s natural defence system (immunity) plays an important role in
    maintaining optimum health. While there is no medicine for COVID-19 as of now, the
    Indian Government’s Ministry of AYUSH has recommended self-care guidelines for
    preventive health measures and boosting immunity with special reference to respiratory
    health. These are supported by Ayurvedic literature and scientific publications.

    And Edzard, you call this ‘hilarious’.
    I cannot find wisdom in your cynical comment..

  • Eelco_G, you opined:

    Enhancing the body’s natural defence system (immunity) plays an important role in
    maintaining optimum health.

    Would you like to try that argument on someone who has either experienced or treed a SARS-CoV-2 induced cytokine storm?

    • A powerful point. It’s reckoned to be the cytokine storms that killed so many previously healthy young adults in the Spanish Flu pandemic a century ago (an H1N1 virus). Why was the death rate worst among healthy young adults instead of among the elderly and frail? Their highly responsive immune systems caused cytokine storms, leading to multiple organ failure.

      This whole business of claiming that such and such a herbal or homeopathic pill will “strengthen the immune system” is entirely woolly, and seems never to be subjected to a requirement to produce evidence. Define “strengthen”. Say how “strength” is measured, then give statistics proving that the pill changes the numbers, alters the TH1/TH2 lymphocyte balance, or whatever.

      The Advertising Standards Authority in the UK should perhaps be more strigent regarding health claims, or even the suggestion of health claims.

      • Actually speaking ARS ALB is not to be designated as IMMUNINITY BOOSTER, becasue it actually is supposed to act as a Preventive, at least, prevent the severe forms of the illness.

        it is because AYUSH had to take one step backwards to save face before the severe world criticism that the Minister re-wrote the claim as “Immune booster”

        Any way the caption of this articel speaks for it self . Also MAharashtra , India (link above) which shows how a state of the same India which did not accept AYUSH accounts for 1/2 of indian cases / mortality. . . . Some things are so straight forward, we really do not need an RCT, just an open mind to think and see straight

        The message is: in an emergency , act. Dont think too much, when the narrow line is between life and death.

        Hippocrates oath tells us something like “Dont let knowledge come before common sense “. Especially when on the other side is death and on this side, LIFE

  • Santra, you say:

    “If it can act as Placebo , and cure let it be. Let us simply change the name to placebo. But do use it . It cures. Thats it
    Thats the evidence. What evidence does any one want to prove that fire burns/ Just put ur finger tip into the fire , it burns. It does not require a double blind RCT to prove that it burns. Or does it ?”

    The thing is, Santra, if I develop a serious health condition, I would like a treatment that works BETTER than placebo.
    The only way to find out if a treatment works BETTER than placebo, is to run a trial, in which the treatment and placebo are tried at the same time for the same condition.

    That is where the Randomised Controlled Trail (RCT) comes in. The ‘control’ is the placebo. Some patients in the trial group who get the placebo, will experience some improvement, at least for a time. If the results for the medicine and the results for the placebo turn out the same, then the medicine isn’t worth using, as it’s no BETTER than placebo, but more expensive.

    On the other hand, if more patients in the medicine group have improved health, and it is maintained, then the medicine on trial is BETTER than placebo, and worth pursuing.

    Santra, if you had a serious health condition, wouldn’t you want a treatment that works BETTER than placebo?

    • @David B

      Where, or what is the SBM cure for Covid-19 …

      I’m waiting

    • Thank u David. That was very sweet of u

      I did not say use a placebo. I just said if u want to call it a placebo, call it so. The other part of what was said is said is that : “It works”

      Morevover a good doc does nt have to make a patient choose his / her treatment. There is a book named “When Breath becomes air “. in which a neuro-suregeon with CA lung would be part of the treatment protocol discussion (for himself), until one day he decided that he had to trust the doc and her decisions. It was not easy for him.

      I told u about the fire burning a finger. It burns . HAs anyone ever conducted an RCT to prove that. It has been handed over generations that it will. And any one touching it due to the lack of an RCT will get it. Same way all these systems of medicines have their own text books which are taught to their students. It does not have to be proved to everyone who doubt it. If someone does nt want to use it, dont, but as my professor once told me ,”U can do what u want , but dont spread ur false gospels.”

      Ayurveda is a good 5000 years old. And someone wants an RCT in it. This is how far our scientific mind has gone. People think that those who lived 5000 years ago are all stupid and we alone are intelligent. Just that a system should survive for 5000 years itself is enough evidence that it has essence. There is no recorded RCT, but there are books as valuable or more valuable than gold in all these subjects.

      Everytime a doc decides to treat there is no RCT. It s been done long time ago, though in a different fashion and under a different name. Now we only have to use it and treat the illness

      • Santra, you think you “did not say use a placebo”?

        Then we are in strange linguistic territory here. I do not know quite how else to understand “Let us simply change the name to placebo. But do use it .” which you wrote.

        I have a tolerably good command of English. I am a teacher of English.

      • @Santra, you wrote:

        “It works”

        Do you have any actual robust evidence for that or are we meant to accept unverifiable assertions and/or fallacious post hoc ergo propter hoc “reasoning”.

        Ayurveda is a good 5000 years old.

        How cute: an undisguised appeal to antiquity fallacy. Even if it is a true assertion (no supporting evidence offered).

        People think that those who lived 5000 years ago are all stupid and we alone are intelligent.

        Not at all.But they held many views that we now know to be incorrect. Would you like me to start a list?

        Just that a system should survive for 5000 years itself is enough evidence that it has essence.

        Appeal to antiquity again! Should I start another list of things that have lasted thousands of years but are clearly fallacious?

        my professor once told me ,”U can do what u want , but dont spread ur false gospels.”

        Have you ever considered following his/her advice? Because, from what you have written here, it’s not immediately obvious that you have.

        • Steve Tonkin on Monday 22 June 2020 at 17:52

          May be you can offer an explanation for the high fatalities in the UK.

          When Kerela is compared with UK:

          Population : UK about 100% higher,
          Population density: Kerela 300% of UK.
          Literacy level: same.
          % of elderly about the same.

          Kerela has a large network of Ayurveda wellness centers and clinics; more than the allopathic hospitals.
          Homeopathy use is fairly wide spread.
          UK: mostly allopathic.

          Kerela: First case – January 30, 2020.
          UK: First case – January 31, 2020.

          On 24.06.20 UK about 55,000 dead. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51768274
          On 24.06.20 Kerela 22 deaths.

          Dr Edzard is of the opinion that there can be many reasons for lower deaths in Kerela, other than the use of Ayurvedic or Homeopathic medicines.
          What are the reasons for the large number of deaths in UK? We can compare these reasons for Kerela and eliminate some further attributes.

          • as you regularly get so many things wrong, I am not surprised that you still cannot manage to get my name right.

          • May be you can offer an explanation for the high fatalities in the UK.

            Government complacency and incompetence; almost every protection measure has been introduced too late and released to early in the UK. In contrast, Kerala had (still has!) a more competent test-and-trace system, and more stringent enforcement of quarantine, etc. See https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/21/kerala-indian-state-flattened-coronavirus-curve

          • Steve Tonkin on Wednesday 24 June 2020 at 12:03

            The reason you have deduced for the higher death rate in UK is the incompetent government and medical planners?

            Until now, the logic was exactly the opposite: India’s incompetent and corrupt medical system and Ayurvedic and Homeopathic doctors, who are not doctors.

            So how would you explain 22 fatalities off 3,603 infections (0.61%) compared with 42,927 fatalities from 306,210 infections (14%). This is about 23 times higher! Are you positive this outcome is because of government alone? What were doctors doing?

            This is David Gorski’s view:

            “….the willingness on the part of clinicians to abandon the prime dictum of medicine, to do no harm, and rush into treatments that not only may not work but may well cause serious harm. The fact is, most physicians are not trained to recognize good science from bad. Nor do they have the time to analyze every study, and too many are willing to ignore the need for reliable evidence when fear sets in. Even in non-pandemic times, doctors often favor treatments that have long been in use, seem biologically plausible, are highly remunerative, or have been heavily marketed by manufacturers. In the case of two drugs now being used against COVID-19, hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir, there is a very real possibility that patients who might have recovered from the virus without them will be harmed or even killed by the treatment.”

            Is it any different in the UK?

          • I KRISHNA, you wrote:

            The reason you have deduced for the higher death rate in UK is the incompetent government and medical planners?

            I did not mention medical planners. You are dishonestly attributing to me things that I did not say.

            Are you positive this outcome is because of government alone?

            No, but then I didn’t say “alone”, did ? Another dishonest attribution. The only thing I am positive about is that you have exactly no robust evidence that the differences are due to homeopathy, ayurveda, or any other pseudomedicine.

            Also, if you did actually bother to read the Guardian article to which I linked, you clearly did not understand it.

          • Steve Tonkin on Friday 26 June 2020 at 10:32

            The focus shifts to semantics:

            Try making a calculated evaluation for over 55,000 deaths in UK compared with 22 deaths in Kerela.

            Or try Cuba, another country called out by Dr Ernst for using homeopathy: 2321 infections and 84 deaths.

            “As I said, I was not sure whether this was for real. Is it possible that even officials are so stupid, brainwashed or gullible to go for homeopathy in such a serious situation?”

            Cuba seems to be doing good also. You can compare with Florida next door! 8 deaths/million compared to 155 deaths/million.

          • Population density is the answer to your question.

            Kerala: 859 people per sq km – highest population density being Thiruvananthapuram: 1508 per sq km.

            Population density of India is 464 per sq km.
            https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/india-population

            No megacity in Kerala. Compare the Covid19 situation with the states in which Delhi and Mumbai are situated.
            https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/why-third-highest-population-density-fallacy-kerala-covid-19-story-125143

            The UK has not done well. It may be that the Prime Minister’s contraction of the virus was a significant factor contributing to our country’s poor response. The rest of the cabinet appeared to go into shock at the decapitation. The biggest failure was the lack of protection of care homes. Nothing less than a scandal.

            Here’s a graphic demonstration of the relationship between Covid19 and population density: https://tinyurl.com/y7xm8sn8

            United States and Mexico, respectively 36 and 66 per sq km, have relatively low population densities as countries but Mexico City’s population density is 6000 per sq km. Covid19 is a disaster there and everyone knows about the impact of the virus on New York City.

            The part of the world where population density has not been a factor is East Asia. Tokyo, Hong Kong, Seoul and Singapore were clearly well prepared to deal with the pandemic. No doubt due to the learning of lessons from previous pandemics emerging from their own back yard. Bats and wet markets not withstanding.

            Manila is the exception, with a population density over 42,000 per sq km, accounting for more than half the total number of cases in the Philippines, with 825 recorded deaths.

            Manila was totally unprepared and with the world’s most massive population density we see the tragic consequences.

          • Population density of the Philippines is 368 per sq km.
            https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/

          • On reflection I may have been unfair on Manila – the most Mega of all megacities. Comparing the wealth of Hong Kong, Tokyo and Seoul, Manila deserves some sympathy for the size of the task confronting it, protecting so many, many people living alongside one another.

          • “The focus shifts to semantics”.

            Thou art indeed shifty. Let’s tidy things up.

            Cuba v Florida.

            Total populations: Cuba 11.3 million, Florida 22 million. Forida has a land border, Cuba doesn’t.
            Life expectancy: Cuba 79.2, Florida 79.1. (Worldometers)

            Similar overall population densities: Cuba 106 per sq km, Florida 136 per sq km.

            Largest cities.

            Cuba – Havana 2.2 million. Florida – Jacksonville 0.9 million. Miami-Dade County, density 1616 per sq km, population 3 million. (World Population Review)

            “Within the United States Florida contains the highest percentage of people over 65 (17.3%), and the 8th fewest people under 18 (21.9%).” (Wikipedia for reference).

            Population pyramids.

            Florida, age 70: 1 million+
            https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/florida-population/

            Cuba, age 70-74: 439,393
            https://www.populationpyramid.net/cuba/2019/

            Covid19 kills far more old people than young people. You didn’t think of that explanation? You really didn’t know the demographics of Florida?

            Either you did but ignored it or you didn’t bother to check it out. The shifty way of the homeopath.

          • Leigh Jackson on Sunday 28 June 2020 at 18:05

            Semantics indeed. Now Statistics?

            “Florida, age 70: 1 million+
            https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/florida-population/

            Cuba, age 70-74: 439,393
            https://www.populationpyramid.net/cuba/2019/

            Florida : dead 3419
            Cuba : dead 86
            (29.06.2020)
            https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

            Elderly population is Florida (your figure) 2.27 times of Cuba. Deaths 39.76 times more!

            “Either you did but ignored it or you didn’t bother to check it out. The shifty way of the homeopath.”

            You clear about your semantics?

          • Leigh Jackson on Saturday 27 June 2020 at 15:21

            It seems you are unable to clear your own thoughts.

            “Population density is the answer to your question. Kerala: 859 people per sq km.”

            This population density of Kerela is 3 times that of UK. What happened to UK? Even if you take out the elderly homes’ fatalities (~12000-15000) how do you account for >43000 deaths against 22 deaths in Kerela for the same period? Absence of Mr Johnson is responsible for such large fatalities? That sounds a little funny: he could not protect himself and you argue his absence was the reason for high fatalities in the UK?

            This is semantics: to prove homeopathy does not work, you have no qualms in tarnishing the capabilities of Ministers in the British cabinet. What will it be next?

          • what a beautiful example of a truly moronic comment!

          • This is semantics: to prove homeopathy does not work

            I have no need to prove anything. The burden of proof is not mine to bear. You are the one making the idiotic pretence that “there are mortality differences in different regions of the planet, therefore homeopathy works” is a rational assertion.

            Re Kerala: If you did bother to read that Guardian article, either you didn’t understand it, or you are pretending not to have understood it.

          • KRISHNA:

            In this blog they do not understand if the data does not fit their dogmatic beliefs. They believe that the United Kingdom has everything under control, and they do not realize that together with countries like Spain that do not integrate homeopathy, they have not been able to control the crisis caused by coronavirus.

          • Lollipop, you wrote:

            In this blog they do not understand if the data does (sic) not fit their dogmatic beliefs.

            Oh, you are funny! The only ones in this conversation with dogmatic beliefs are the ones who pretend that all plausible reasons for the differences do not exist and who choose to ignore the simple, but inconvenient, truth that there is no such thing as an independently replicated robust-quality double-blinded randomised control trial that demonstrates that homeopathy is distinguishable from placebo for any condition or purpose.

            They believe that the United Kingdom has everything under control

            Why are you pretending that I did not write, a week ago, “Government complacency and incompetence; almost every protection measure has been introduced too late and released too early in the UK.“?

          • Miami-Dade County, population 2,761, 580, density 1454.54 per sq km.
            Broward County – adjacent to Miami-DADE – population 1,951,260, density 1616.58 per sq km.
            https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/florida-population

            Close to 5 million, high density, old age population. Nothing comparable in Cuba. Florida and Cuba have very different demographics. High density, bad. Old age, bad. Together terrible.

            Kerela? No megacity. The first place to go under in the UK was London. No real surprise with its global connectivity and population density.
            https://tinyurl.com/yc8zbx69

          • Remiss of me.

            Cuba area 109,884 sq km; density 103 per sq km.
            Havana population 2,106,146, density 2892 per sq mile.
            https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/havana-population/

          • @ Lollypop

            On Monday 29 June 2020 at 18:35 you said:

            “In this blog they do not understand if the data does not fit their dogmatic beliefs. They believe that the United Kingdom has everything under control, and they do not realize that together with countries like Spain that do not integrate homeopathy, they have not been able to control the crisis caused by coronavirus.”

            Two days before I said “The UK has not done well.” I went on to slam the government for the care homes scandal. Steve Tonkin has also lambasted our government’s handling of the crisis.

            Nothing could be more dogmatic than your inane, one trick trotter-outer called “Homeopathy”.

          • Leigh Jackson on Monday 29 June 2020 at 19:53

            Your figures!

            Miami-Dade County, population 2,761, 580, density 1454.54 per sq km.
            Havana population 2,106,146, density 2892 per sq mile.

            Now compare Miami with Havana! Miami 991 dead. Havana – put ALL 86 Cuban deaths into Havana and explain how Havana with 2 times the population density of Miami has 1/10 deaths compared to Miami?

            Kerela has NO mega-city and still has the population density 3 times that of UK. You can compare ANY part of UK with Kerela. The answer does not change: Homeopathy and Ayurveda are the defining reasons behind such astronomical differences in deaths in UK and Kerela.

          • I KRISHNA, you wrote:

            Miami-Dade County, population 2,761, 580, density 1454.54 per sq km.
            Havana population 2,106,146, density 2892 per sq mile.

            and pretended that this means that Havana has twice the population density of Miami-Dade. Simple arithmetic (1454.54 /km^2 * 2.59 = 3767 /mi^2) demonstrates that Miami-Dade has the higher population density.

            You went on to pretend that

            Homeopathy and Ayurveda are the defining reasons behind such astronomical differences in deaths in UK and Kerela (sic).

            Only if you ignore all plausible hypotheses. These have already been cited in the original article, several of the follow-up comments, and that Guardian article that you seem to pretend does not exist.

          • Iqbal

            There are three square km to a square mile so the population density is actually less in Havana. The country was locked down hard and early. Mask wearing is compulsory.

            You are basically saying bananas are the same as flowerpots and concluding that because of this, homeopathy in Kerala works.

          • Steve Tonkin on Monday 29 June 2020 at 06:38

            “there are mortality differences in different regions of the planet, therefore homeopathy works” is a rational assertion.”

            Explain it your way! Who has contributed to the mess that has UK citizens dying in THOUSANDS?

            “Re Kerala: If you did bother to read that Guardian article, either you didn’t understand it, or you are pretending not to have understood it.”

            Off course I understood it. Are you trying to say that NHS was not aware that such actions are possible in the UK and did nothing similar? This article appeared on 14.05.2020. NHS doctors did not see this message? Learn nothing from it?
            If the NHS doctors were aware then how would you explain such dramatic difference in fatalities? The X factor?

            This is standard protocol. Success belongs to “scientific medicine” even if they forget to explain why the same activity got zero results in UK? Write to Guardian!

          • Steve Tonkin on Wednesday 01 July 2020 at 09:04

            “and pretended that this means that Havana has twice the population density of Miami-Dade. Simple arithmetic (1454.54 /km^2 * 2.59 = 3767 /mi^2) demonstrates that Miami-Dade has the higher population density.”

            Point taken. 30% higher population density translates into 1152% higher fatalities.

            Now run a comparative evaluation for Kerela 300% higher density translates into .04% deaths. Something wrong in maths here?

            The correct version was spoken 100 years ago: Victor Vaughan, a former president of the American Medical Association, received urgent orders to proceed directly to Camp Devens outside of Boston. What Vaughan witnessed at the military changed his life forever and compelled him to question his very faith in medical science.

            “The saddest part of my life,” Vaughan admitted, “was when I witnessed the hundreds of deaths of the soldiers in the Army camps and did not know what to do. At that moment I decided never again to prate about the great achievements of medical science and to humbly admit our dense ignorance in this case.”

            Exactly as it was 100 years ago.

          • Oh dear. Looks like the Indian government has pissed on the homeopaths’ bonfires regarding coronavirus. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1235380/coronavirus-latest-update-india-china-wuhan-australia-new-zealand-ikea-homeopathy

          • Lenny, that’s interesting, about the article in The Express. AYUSH still seem to be peddling the claim about “boosting” the immune system. As always, without saying how the boost is measured…..

          • Miami City has a population just under 500,00.
            Miami Metro has a population density 13,512 per sq mile (~35,000 per sq km).

            MM includes Miami Dade/Broward/Palm Beach Counties.
            https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/miami-fl-population

            Palm Beach County, adjacent to Broward County has a population 1.5 million.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Beach_County,_Florida

            Jacksonville has a population half that of Havana, with a comparable density.

            In short Forida has some very dense populations and some less dense populations. It no doubt has many old people’s homes. They will be the most dense populations of the most frail and sick. Would be interesting to know how well Forida protected their care homes.

            Apart from the high proportion of elderly people in Florida there are generic health factors to consider such as obesity, high blood pressure and underlying health conditions like diabetes. It’s known that underlying medical conditions are a significant factor with Covid19. How do these demographics bear on the statistics?
            https://health.wusf.usf.edu/post/life-expectancy-study-provides-insight-whats-killing-floridians

            It can be treacherous comparing different countries with differening populations. There are many obvious and not so obvious pitfalls.

            Useful though, if everything is to be distorted through a homeopathic prism. There are damned lies and then there are specious homeopathic comparisons.

            The facts and stats of the course of Covid19 in the UK on BBC radio 4 today.
            https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08jh9j7

            UK was late to impose restrictions on entry to the UK before lockdown. Out of 16 million people entering the country between January and lockdown a few hundred were quarantined. 1356 different vectors have been identified, 25% from France, 33% from Spain, the others from Italy. There was seeding of the virus across the country. By the time the first person died it’s estimated that 50,000 people were infected.

            Testing was abandoned because the infection was so wide spread there was no capacity to trace. By the time UK total testing reached 18,000, Germany was testing as many every day.

            The model being used gave a false picture. We were two weeks behind Italy not four as the initial model suggested. Later models suggest that had we locked down 1 week earlier excess deaths would have been reduced by half to three quarters.

            43% of excess deaths in UK have been in care homes – 25,000. Patients were being sent to care homes from hospital without testing up to 18th March. A total ban on visitors to care homes was belatedly imposed.

            Germany and Norway also failed their care home populations.

          • My apologies. Monday 29 @ 19:53 I said Havana’s population density was 2892 per sq mile. I should have said per sq km. (I converted from the link which gives 7490 per sq mile)

          • I think I better conclude this topic with this. Got my factors crossed again for Wednesday 21.04pm. The conversion from 13,512 per sq mile should of course be 5217 per sq km.

          • I lost it last night with my square mile/km conversions. Here’s a tool:
            https://www.thecalculatorsite.com/conversions/area/square-miles-to-square-kilometers.php
            The conversion factor is 1 sq mile = 2.59 sq km.

            So Havana’s population density which was given on my orignal link as 7490 per sq mile, converts to 19,400 per sq km. I was correct first time with my Miami Metro conversion: 13,512 per sq mile converts to 35,000 per sq km. Miami Metro has twice the density of Havana.

        • Steve Tonkin on Monday 22 June 2020 at 17:52

          There is a book written by Paul Brunton many years ago , “A search in secret India”. Apparently lots of people after reading it went to India to know what it is , or whether what he wrote was sure. Apparently most were not disappointed.

          India apparently has much more to it than Ayureda / Homeopathy.

  • It s being done in many places. … India, Iran, and even USA, UK

    The FDA is constantly after people who are giving homeopathic medications if they get the chance.

  • Steve Tonkin on Friday 26 June 2020 at 10:35

    Just a suggestion as a reply. All 5 points will be covered if u know India

    Simply writing individual replies to each will only be an argument. Arguments just dont work , especially when people think differently, unless someone has an open mind and tries to explore to know the truth.

    I am a doctor with (post -graduation) . Had no belief in Homeopathy. But sometimes life takes u to most un-expected corners.

    Even the few experiences that i had personally (like a cure of a very chronic cough lasting for months ) me just thought it was a chance. A cough lasting for months can disappear on its own.

    Then it was like Homeopathy was forced on me. And i had to explore how it cured and if it really did. After my duty hours in my hospital, i used to sit for hours together with a Homeopathy doc for many years. Fascinated by the wonderful cures.

    That s why and how i learnt Homeopathy. If i say NO about Homeopathy, it will be the greatest gesture of in-gratitude not only to the system, but also to the great Person from whom i learnt Homeopathy. And what i write now is a tribute to that Great Teacher

    I ve burned the mid night oil learning Homeopathy after doing Medicine from one of the most prestigious institutes in the world

    I ve worked in ICU s and with Ventilators. I ve also seen patients who had been posted for amputation recover without surgery. . . after homeopathy. . . and much more

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