The website [Link disabled by Admin because of suspected malware] of ‘HOMEOPATHY 360’ has just published a new post offering a handy instruction for killing patients suffering from acute appendicitis. If you do not believe me – I don’t blame you, I too found it hard to believe – read this short excerpt advocating homeopathy for this life-threatening condition (for readers without a medical background: if acute appendicitis is not treated promptly, the inflamed appendix might burst, spilling faecal material into the abdominal cavity, resulting in a life-threatening peritonitis):

The post is entitled “A Cure of Acute Appendicitis Using Frequent Homeopathic Doses in Solution

Here is the abstract:

“Placing centesimal potencies in solution and prescribing them frequently for acute conditions is not widely practiced. It can be superior to dry doses in many cases, where a persistent mild medicinal action is preferred to a strong aggravation. By prescribing dissolved doses of Arnica Montana 1m, a case of acute appendicitis was cured quickly. This suggests that centesimal potencies given frequently in solution may be more efficacious, prompt and gentle than treatment with dry doses.”

Fascinating, isn’t it?

Here are more details demonstrating that the author has done his homework:

“When treating a patient with acute medical condi­tion, in certain cases we fail to cure. Even though our case taking, evaluation, analysis, remedy and potency selection seem correct. What is the cause? In the Organon 5th edition (1833) Dr. Hahnemann introduced olfaction and dissolved centesimal remedies as a new method of administering doses. Around the year 1840 Hahnemann began to introduce LM potencies into his practice. From 1840 to 1843 he used both centesimal and LM potencies side by side in medicinal solutions. By these methods he hoped to avoid unwanted aggravations and provide rapid cure.

In some acute cases the aggravation can be discouragingly pro­longed and often cannot be discerned from the patient’s own disease. Many times we change the original prescrip­tion which could very well have been the simillimum. In acute diseases, a dry dose will many times produce an un­necessary aggravation because of the patient’s increased susceptibility. I have much experience now with what I call a “watery dose.” To prepare it, one or two globules of size 10 are diluted in 15ml. of distilled water in which 5 drops of alcohol added with 20 to 30 succussions. From this solution 10 drops are added to another 15 ml of water, and from this solution 5 to 10 drops dose repeated according to the severity of the disease. In such diluted solutions the correct number of drops must be precise. Every time be­fore taking the dose the solution is succussed 5 to 10 times. The same solution can be used for several days or weeks. Hahnemann recommended using carefully measured and dosed solutions with sensitive patients. Many times I have used this method with great success. It is not necessary to take 4 oz. to 8 oz. of water, Just fifteen ml. of distilled water is sufficient. This technique of dosing is also known as a split dose because it uses one or two pills in a solution that is then split over several days or weeks.

The results using this type of dosing can be very dif­ferent from dry doses. There is continuous amelioration of the complaints without aggravation. This comes closer to the ideal of strengthening the weakened vital force than is seen when we simply produce a similar stronger artificial disease in the patient.”

The author also provides a detailed case history of a patient who survived this treatment (of course, without mentioning that acute appendicitis can, in rare cases, have a spontaneous recovery).


I would not recommend Arnica or any other homeopathic remedy for routine use in acute appendicitis (or any other condition) – unless, of course, you want to kill a maximum number of your patients suffering from this medical/surgical emergency.

55 Responses to How to kill patients with (‘risk-free’) homeopathic remedies

  • A comical ( as far as it goes in this instance) lack of understanding of basic logic.Homeopaths are very keen to claim that homeopathy- unlike proper medicine- has never killed anybody, but of course there are many verified cases of gullible, desperate people being convinced to drop, or avoid, serious medical treatment in favour of magic. We can all think of examples.( Australia’s ‘Wellness Warrior’ comes to mind, along with all the people then influenced by her views). Has anybody ever collated these cases as a body of evidence?

    • not to my knowledge; I have often been tempted to do this but always gave up because such cases are published everywhere and nowhere. the medical literature is certainly useless for such research.

    • “Has anybody ever collated these cases as a body of evidence?” I very much doubt it. But they’d be only a collection of anecdotes anyway. To obtain robust evidence, for every patient who chooses homeopathy over conventional Rx you’d need to find a matched control patient suffering from the same disease and undergoing proper medical treatment. After a time (many years, I suspect!) you could establish whether the control group survives longer than the homeopathy fans.

      The original post is a really good example of homeopathic ignorance, because acute appendicitis is a potentially fatal condition requiring urgent treatment. Faffing about with magic water is the same thing as not seeking treatment at all, and, as Edzard’s post says, that’s a probable sentence of death.

      • Caution: Whilst cute appendicitis can be fatal, death is not ‘probable’.

        I have removed many acutely inflamed appendices.
        If patients are not treated, not all will die. Probably no more than 5%.
        Less if good general care is given. Less still if antibiotics are used.
        The local inflammatory response walls off the appendage and eventually settles. Possibly to become chronic with recurrences, but recovery is well known.
        ‘Doing nothing’ is not a ‘probable sentence of death’.
        Using magic is daft.
        (I am both a surgeon and magician!)

      • gosh you sound very narrow minded. maybe you ought read Sapiens (a short history of humankind) by Yuval Harari. most people don’t like to hear the truth. why the homeo sapien finds me confronting and governments find me a thorn in the side. homeopathy works. i’ve used it for years on my choox. i knew very little when i first started by now i’ve read a few pages of the stuff i seem to be curing my chickens of paralysis, microplasmic gallepsia and a host of other diesease.

        me? i have a degree in economics and japanese language, a post grad in business law and am currently studying diagnostic orthomolecular medicine (without a science background – at all) at the age of 63. i am also surfing one of the world’s most dangerous waves and do a 2 hour astanga practice everyday. i ate raw plant-based for 8 years and now grow and produce all my own food eating nothing from the supermarket. we have no doctors, dentists or vets in this home except me. i owned australia’s oldest dog (his last meal was a fruit salad!) and we believe totally on what we eat is what we are. we know that the hunzas live up to 180 years and we try to follow their diet and lifestyle as much as we can in a western country (albeit outta the city). we will displace ourselves to a third world country shortly because we’re fed up of the white greedy western gene that keeps breeding and destroying nature (no i aint got kids).

        the homeo sapiens (literally translated: WISE man)
        is intent on destroying everything NATURE created
        to suit his every whim. per martina c hagues 2017

        now that’s what we should be discussing not arguments over sumthing worx or doesn’t. when dentists and doctors make horrid decisions for us (like putting in root canals) that ultimately kill us who worries about this twaddle rot?!!!

        • any evidence for the claim that root canals kill us?

          • YES! check out the movie Root Cause (had to be taken off netflix as dental boards around the world tried to sue the poor guy who nearly died with his root canals and titanium implants. i HAVE hard copy evidence, unlike the poor soul who made the movie eg my htma (hair tissue mineral analyses). STRANGE how all the Pb (lead) disappeared only months after i had the root canal removed. when i had another tooth removed above it which had been broken from the surfboard accident i had (sadly no dentist picked that up either in 18 years of checking out my ivories!) the lump under my arm disappeared (is a female that is defo cancer!). if cancer don’t kill you what don’t it do!!????? i’ve seen it all. having rescued animals owned by aussies (who aren’t exactly animal lovers!) my experience is huge and wide. i don’t just read stuff and hear stuff i experience it on my own property.

            there is NO such thing as disease and sickness. it is your immune system. besides if you learn as much as i have (along with diagnostic orthomolecular medicine, homeopathy and treating one’s suppressed childhood emotions) one realizes that all illness and problems in life result from emotions eg hernias come from fractured relationships (none of my family speak to each other and they’ve all got hernias – including me); someone who feels like they are carrying the planet on their shoulders; and lack of creative communications. interesting how if you study a wide array of things the TRUTH comes out. same thing happened after i learned my fifth language. i realized that many things were connected. maybe i’m too creative and analytical for this world of dumb white western greed who want to use everything Nature created to satisfy their every whim.

          • Hair analyses for minerals and metals have been tested thorughly and proved very unreliable. You can just as well use a “magic 8-ball”. The results are as random.

            The dangerous-root-canal trope was debunked long ago.

          • i’ve just spent tens of thousands of dollars travelling the world to find a dentist who used non-toxic materials. hopefully this will save someone money. not one of those dentists knew what toxic ingredients (and yes they are ALL toxic) went into the fillings etc that they used. sad affair. i have nothing to do with the dental industry and yet i know nearly all the ingredients in the different products. i also know that blood tests (that your GP or doctor will always suggest above an htma (hair tissue mineral analysis which reads one’s sells and is undeniably correct)) are not only erratic but by the time the illness has reached the blood you are sick. unlike an htma that tells you what is in your cells which if corrected properly and immediately over a period of time can cure you of anything. eg my greyhound came to me with gross amounts of mercury and aluminium (from all the drugs and vaccinations he’d received during his racing days). he was 2 and a half years old at that time. it took 5 years for those toxic elements to start moving out of his system (i’ve got the htma to prove this). the mercury has now gone; however, i’m struggling (as i am in my case where those white fillings of 80% aluminium oxide that dentists use to fill one’s teeth) to remove the aluminium. hopefully this will eventually dissapate with our amazing organic fresh turmeric, organic strawberries, organic coriander and our healthy organic plant-based mainly raw diet – altho midget the greyhound has a little raw duck (sadly other meats make his sick as do cooked veg and a number of raw veg). yes the gambling industry takes advantage of these poor animals like doctors and dentists take advantage of us (eg they know nothing of chemistry when our bodies are MADE OF CHEMICALS!). SAd world and, perhaps, that’s why we have bad outbreak of some disease man has invented in a lab in America by Chinese Communist nationals. i’m not worried about the disease as my diet is too healthy for all that guff. i am worried about my life being affected by other’s peoples’ weak immune systems which has made governments like mine close down shop. SICK WORLD with sick ‘doctors’ and dentists. I can provide any htma or other results mentioned here. i can also send photoes of my organic gardens, orchard and how we survive. nothing is brought in from outside except our tissues (which aren’t available at the moment!). we make our own charcoal for medicine – this stuff is amazing for pain/anaesthetic, infection, toxicity and inflammation. i even cured midget of a snake bite with charcoal. the farm vet who rushed around to help was amazed when i told him what i’d done and how it worked. i didn’t even know it was a snake bite. i happened to be with a friend who was a nurse and she suggested this. fortunately i have a jar of charcoal in every car, house and cupboard so it was rush rush rush with a very black car seat afterwards (perhaps why the lazy white man doesn’t like using it and prefers the toxic drugs). NATURE provides for everything. Learn with wisdom (very important word), be patient, determined and disciplined…. and most of all have gratitude. gratitude should be given twice as much importance as love. check out the book ‘the hidden messages in water’. there’s alot of evidence in that publication about what i’m saying!

          • using non-toxic materials did evidently not help against paranoia

          • Hey, Martina

            Find me if you can the published research – and a crap film is NOT published research – that shows the link between root canal therapy and cancer.

            There isn’t any. None. None whatsoever.

            I can show you published research which shows a LOWER incidence of cancer in people who have undergone multiple endodontic procedures.

          • @ Lenny

            You know all too well that it will never be published. Not because of evidence, because it would be too incriminating.
            The wind blows at your back.

          • i’m obviously on the wrong website. bet no one of your members studies diagnostic orthomolecular medicine. good luck. you won’t be surfing one of the world’s most dangerous waves in the world at 64 years old as a 5.2inch female under 53kg. you also wil never experience the spirtuality of fasting (something the Bible enhances but those churchgoers don’t wanna go there!). you aso won’t be able to do a 2 hour astanga yoga session on a daily basis or grow and make all your own food by not using outside materials. you’re stuck in the rut of supermarket fodder, preserves, chems, drugs and all that means. you’ll get some virus from a vaccine even if you don’t get struck by this one. you’re immune system is karked but you’ll never understand that it is the immune system that Nature and God provided that works. believe it or not! your’s don’t coz your eating copper overloaded plastic-wrapped fodder made from powdered chems and additives that keeps old food looking and tasting like plastic. you’ll never understnd the real meaning of NATURE. good bye….

          • @RG

            That tinfoil hat of yours is getting a bit tight.

            You display only your ignorance of the scientific method.

            The primary claims of evidence, once you look far enough down, have been made by convicted fraudsters Joseph Issels, Robert Jones, Hal Huggins and a mysterious ‘Dr Rau”

            They claim to have done “studies”

            None have been published. Anywhere.


            This is evidence on a “my girlfriend is a model, you wouldn’t know her, she goes to a different school” level. Produced by liars.

            This is not because of “suppression of the truth”.

            Please explain how, say, the ADA can influence pay-to-publish journals who pump out any old rubbish?

            You’re dreaming, RG.


        • What’s your evidence that “we know that the hunzas live up to 180 years”? The oldest I can find on the web is an age of 120, and (as the Guinness Book of World Records will tell you) claims of longevity need to be backed up with proper documentation of birth and death dates, not hearsay.

          PS I’ve read Sapiens — an excellent book. You should take note of your own comment: “most people don’t like to hear the truth”.

          • hi frank,

            sounds like your another person who loves FAKE news. my dad replies (at 91 years old) the same as you. that japanese woman is the oldest and shes only.. blah blah blah. read up on drs wrench and his predecessor who visited the Hunzas 30 years apart and others since. i don’t like even mentioning it on the internet because it will make some white greed go searching for them and destroy their world like they’ve destroyed every other aboriginal race on this planet.

            next you’ll be asking me for proof on how the Korona virus began. check out the laboratory professor in america with his two chinese national lab assistants who got arrested by the FBI recently for receiving large sums of money from the chinese goverment for want of setting up a lab in china. one of the lab assitants was caught leaving the usa with 25 vials of top secret bio stuff. eeeek. yes, the next helping of vaccines to cure the population crisis. i know from what i eat how refined foods affect the body. i bet you don’t know that 90% of energy is taken up purely from fodder digestion. if one eats raw veg and fruit only they can go without sleep and work day and night without getting tired. people are amazed at how i surf one of hte most powerful waves int he world at 64 (on a bodyboard which is much harder work than a surf board as half yahs body is in the water), do a fantastic (so my past gurus have told me) 2 hours astanga practice, continue lifting all the jarrah logs and carting them up the hill all afternoon and i’m still organizing the rescued animals homeopathic remedies and midget the greyhounds raw organic diet in the evening til the wee hours. you have to have a very wide and conscientious and disciplined and determined spirit such as mine to understand all that i have absorbed over the years and particularly the last 10 years. most of my uni friends (10 years my junior and on supermarket diets are sitting in armchairs at night and can no longer remember the kids names and ages etc). i’ve started studying diagnostic orthomolecular medicine with absolutely no science background. my mind and brain are functioning better than a teenager (even one whose not eating supermarket fodder!). howZaT!?

  • Homeopathy is powerful. Its application without using common sense is daft. I could understand that using a homeopathic remedy to treat appendicitis would make sense only if you are in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, but *not* if the remedy is Arnica. Arica is a blood thinner. My surgeon informed me one of his patients who had taken Arnica before surgery nearly bled to death.

    • “Arica is a blood thinner”
      if you have any evidence for this, please show me.
      until then, I insist that this statement is incorrect.

      • in homeopathy arnica is NOT a blood thinner and in most cases, if one is a good homeopath, they are not necessarily treating the symptoms alone, alot of other factors go into the use of homeopathy as a medicine. eg i look at the background of my rescued animals. although i wasn’t there physically to experience what they’d been through prior to my rescue there’s always alot of good indicators. particularly for those of us who are animal whisperers. i’m NOT a homeopath. i’ve never studied homeopathy in the real sense of the word although i’ve researched it to help my animals (and me) in the last two years. there’s a few people here that can vouch for what i’ve done without drugs. i don’t make a big hoohah about it. i just want people to realize that NATURE is far more improtant than the greedy white westerner who wiped out every aboriginal tribe on this planet and their manmade toxic drugs and chems (none of which we have on our property). how dare! believe it or not i came back with rabies from indo two years ago. my friend’s son’s friend was animal sitting for me. he wouldn’t leave when he saw the state i was in. i told him not to worry i’d sort it out. on the second day he said go to the hospital (just a couple of minutes walk – i couldn’t walk at the time – up the road). nah, i said, tomoz i’ll be okay as i’m on the 2nd day of the fast and this is the crucial day when all the toxins pour out of the system whilst the body gets used to living without food (btw digestion of cooked food takes up about 90% of our energy – i didn’t read that anywhere but i’ve been experimenting with different diets over the last 20 years). anyway, i fasted for four days and drank a charcoal slurry and poured charcoal all over my leg (where i was bitten) 3x a day and bandaged it. on the third day rob was able to accept to leave me. i could stand again and i was on my way to recovery. after the fourth day of fasting i broke the fast and had no side effects or sickness except a slight unusual feeling (which i had in strong form when i first felt the symptoms of rabies) in the outside muscle of the bitten leg. Science has no cure for rabies. Beat that! if you don’t learn in this life that NATURE is far more important than you or your science then you’ll never understand the real meaning of life. maybe in your next life but i think you’ll need a few more lives as an animal before you reach my understanding of the world and how it works.

        • I am so glad you know the real meaning of life!

        • Nobody could accuse you of being narrow minded, Martina. Far from it. The vernal equinox is a wonderfully balanced time of year, don’t you think? Unbalanced it ain’t.

          • i practice everything i preach. i’m dedicated, dextrous and determined. three prerequisites required to get thru the life i know. sadly these are all missing on young people as they attach their eyes and brains (dunno where their souls are at this stage!) to the Messiah (screen). i noticed at all the recent freedom rallies there are few young uns there. when i was in my twenties and rallied for nuclear disarmament everyone was either in their twenties or a uni student. how times change. life is not for the faint hearted. i wonder when these kids remove their faces from the screens they can cope. judging by the rate of suicide… probably not! bin the phones and you won’t be controlled (as we are right now) and start using your hands. It’s time to rise up. if you don’t u’ll be whistling as you walk into the furnaces of fire.

        • Martina can you recommend me a treatment for possible appendicitus. I don’t personally know if I’m allergic to rag weed so I’m nervous to take arnica montana. But I want to rely on what nature is giving me rather than antibiotics and surgery. I want to heal my body naturally. So far I have been eating green gram I just started 2 days ago my (tmi) stools are starting to become more normal and my pain is much more mild than before. I’ve also starred yesterday drinking fennugreek seed tea. I did 2 tbsp to a liter of water and split the portion into 2 portions. I get nauseated but I can get myself to eat once my tummy grumbles. I had acid reflux prior to this and that seems to be subsided. I do think I caused this with traditional over the counter medicine by accident when I was panicking over the reflux. I took mylanta and didn’t read the dose properly and caused myself to have diarrhea for like 4 days straight and then I said I’m not taking that anymore so I refrained from using any meds for about a week. After I did another dumb.. I drank acv water once a day in the morning and took a h2 inhibitor because it relaxed my acid at night.. after 5 days of taking it I was out of the medicine.. I believe I have upset the balance of bacteria and either triggered appendicitis or irritable bowl disorder.. anyways I have used over the counter homeopathic pre-made medicines on my cats and it does well. Can you please recommend something for me to heal this condition naturally?

  • @ Martina

    I actually did a consultation with a homeopath and he has been helping me. My symptoms are tons better from what they were last I commented. I still have some symptoms here and there but they are feeling tons better. I’m continuing to heal and get back to my healthy self. Homeopathy works. Honestly if you want something to work for you (to everyone else) you have to will it to work. People believe if they pray to a God it will help them through anything, science had to start from someone believing in it.. homeopathy has plenty of research that on Google is slowly being taken down because of allopathic medical trying to make it less available to people who wish to use different medical methods. Food and intentions alongside homeopathy helps you heal yourself the way nature intended for you to heal. I don’t always eat the best but my diet is far better than it was the last few years. People need to open their narrow minds and research things. The more you seek to learn the wiser you become. I’m not a homeopath nor a witch doctor but I am a person who believes in possibilities and seeking out many ways to heal opposed to what we are programed to do. There’s several cases of people using homeopathic, natural remedies, and naturopathic sometimes all combined to treat illnesses the allopathic doctors claim are incurable but can be cured by something science won’t put money and research more into. Homeopaths put alot of research and trials into their remedies. Proving are how you learn what works. Just as in science trial and error. Best part though is in homeopathy if you prove a remedy you stop taking it and your symptoms ease up.. once you fine the correct remedy and potency you get your results. Very rare to die from homeopathy. I believe in it and with all that I do for myself I put good intention and strong will of life into all that I do. I will beat my ailment and for those on here who shame belief in a different system of health…open your minds. Noone has to prove or show you when you can go out a seek for yourself. Just look in the right places and you will find your answers.

    • Yes. U r rite. My bestie reckons all dis-ease comes from suppressed childhood emotions. I now believe her. Sadly this latest scamdemic has proven how gullible th white western race is. Th Japanese and Indonesians followed us ‘singing thru th halls of Babylon as we entered th furnaces of doom’! But they cud see before us something was up (too late for all those frontline doctors and nurses who died in Bali in droves shortly after getting multiple jabs – wonder if that government will be held responsible?). Yes th Jews were also very gullible. No one stands up as I do. Sadly, it offends ppl. Dunno why they can’t handle th TRUTH (probs brought up wearing rose tinted glasses). Now the scam’s been turned on its head the ‘actors’ can no longer call us conspiracy theorists: it is they that were th conspiracy! Let’s hope for a better world with fewer bodies but more enquiring minds th next time round. People who can see that if we surrender to Nature we will be living in peace and harmony…..

      • Not all white westerners and Jewish folk and such are ignorant, they do what they feel is right because it’s what they are exposed too and conditioned to believe is the right way to be. I’m not 100% against modern medicine either but I definitely don’t like the medicines they provide anymore. I believe that if we all open our minds eye and fall back even alittle to our roots and listen to our bodies we will find what we need. Humanity is so set on quick fixes that our patience with our bodies and self healing are forgotten and we jump to the quick fixes instead of options first. I’m personally scared of certain medical procedures so I try to avoid them if I can, but if I need it I told my husband to make me deal with it. But if I can have control over my healing I like that option better as it means I can recover without taking part of my being out and I can remain a whole. I like science but I also like metaphysical and nature essence. I believe we all have our options and we’re all going to believe what we want but I know if people weren’t so closed minded to outside options we’d have more research and open availability of other health options. Although I feel homeopathic treatment is better sought after than being a big name because it keeps it from being just a money house like traditional pharmaceuticals.

        • @Jen Kozy

          I believe that if we all open our minds eye and fall back even alittle to our roots and listen to our bodies we will find what we need.

          We tried this for the past couple of hundred thousand years, right up until some 150 years ago. This is how well this natural, open-minded approach worked:
          – One in three children died before the age of five
          – One in every hundred pregnancies ended in the death of the mother, usually during or shortly after childbirth
          – Most people did not live past the age of 50-60
          – A significant proportion of people were infected with parasites

          … a money house like traditional pharmaceuticals.

          Some 5% of all healthcare expenses are spent on pharmaceuticals. The remaining 95% mainly goes towards patient care and hospital treatments. Yet I hardly hear anyone complaining about those pesky nurses and specialist doctors gobbling up all that money …

      • Homeopathy sounds really good – can it cure gullibility?

        • Leave £2,000 in a brown envelope behind the hot water pipes in the third washroom along at Victoria Station, and I will send you a remedy for your gullibility over the internet.

          • No thanks. I reject your toxicity and send it back to you 10 fold. I will believe what I choose to believe and you can believe what you choose. It’s a free world and this isn’t elementary school where we throw rude remarks to get rises out of other children. Perhaps since you haven’t matured enough you shouldn’t be in this forum? Please grow up and open your mind that somethings that may not work for your or things you may not believe in may not work as your wish but they can for others. There’s millions of gullible people by your standards and mine everyday who use what they feel is best for a situation. Let them. It’s not your place to criticize them. We have all the right to choose how we wish to thrive. I hope one day you learn not to act so childish and simply state what you need and move on. Have a good life but remember your words always have a way of finding their way back to you so be careful what you say to people ^^. I embrace good energy with open arms and reject your negative energy. May it return to you in a way that causes you to grow and evolve beyond your closed minded way of thinking. Blessed be. ✌️

          • everyone is allowed to have their own beliefs – but not their own facts.

    • Jen Kozy,

      I actually did a consultation with a homeopath and he has been helping me. My symptoms are tons better from what they were last I commented. I still have some symptoms here and there but they are feeling tons better. I’m continuing to heal and get back to my healthy self. Homeopathy works.

      How do you know it was the homeopathy. Most things get better on their own.

      Honestly if you want something to work for you (to everyone else) you have to will it to work.

      This certainly helps the placebo effect along. Luckily it is not necessary for drugs used in anesthesia and intensive care.

      Food and intentions alongside homeopathy helps you heal yourself the way nature intended for you to heal.

      Do you have any evidence that Nature has any intentions at all? That would be completely contradictory to what we know of biology, particularly evolution.

      Judging by what goes on the the natural world, if Nature intended anything it would appear to be an early death.

      The more you seek to learn the wiser you become

      Not necessarily. Among other things you have to recognise your own biases and preconceptions for what they are, and to learn to question everything. Information is not the same as knowledge and knowledge is not the same as wisdom.

      Homeopaths put alot of research and trials into their remedies.

      Perhaps they would like to publish some of it for the benefit of the rest of us.

      Just as in science trial and error.

      Science is not trial and error. But you seem to have some very strange notions of what science is.

      • There’s plenty of published records you just need to know where to look. There are books and research through the web on homeopathy working. And yes science does trial and error.. how do you think they find out if something scientifically works? By trying it out.. there are things that do and ont work and not everyone will respond the same way too one method or another.

        • There are books and research through the web on homeopathy working.

          There are also books on pigs building houses and donkeys pooping gold.

          • Those are completely written different! That’s Luke comparing “the Bible” to a science book in school…it’s a ridiculous comparison. It’s a story book of events either by mind or by people to actual things that have been done and proven… I don’t know about you but I trust my homeopath. I don’t think I’d be where I am right now without him and his help. I trusted my urgent care with acid reflux and they gave me pills that aggrevated my stomach and eventually caused my condition. So yes I believe more in what I’m doing now as opposed to pain pills and acid blockers. I also follow holistic ways such as eating right and herbal supplements etc. In a complete emergency I will do what is right and go to a hospital. But until I need to I will continue with what I believe is right. Talking to you is like having religion shoved down my throat. I live on the earth and believe in natural ways to treat and heal. Homeopathy doesn’t cure a single disease it helps your body doing its process of healing and then heals all issues pertaining to the dis-ease you have thus curing you as a whole not as a symptom. You can think it’s all placebo if that is what you wish but there is plenty of proof. Talking to you is like talking to a wall…I’m not going to get anywhere with you because you chose to not believe in its abilities and believe it’s a placebo. And so what if it is…there’s people who prove to heal from it… and that’s what I base on, because modern medical says no cure but with homeopathy there are people who have been cured and healed of things that seem impossible. I don’t feel I need to further communicate with you, there’s no more to explain or talk about because you will see things your way and in the end I will see things my way. Whether you like it or not each method has its ways of working and healing..and each way will also continue to produce results.

          • @Jen Kozy
            I am sorry to inform you that it is rather more plausible that a donkey poops gold than that homeopathy works. In fact, if you analyse donkey poo, you will find trace amounts of gold, in the order of a couple of parts per billion.
            In contrast, not a single homeopathic product was ever found to have a consistent and repeatable effect under any type of scientific scrutiny.

            But because I think you deserve a better explanation, I would ask you to please engage your brain for a moment and bear with me here.

            Homeopathy is based on the following claims:
            – The law of similars, or “Like Cures Like”: a substance that causes certain symptoms will also cure conditions with the same symptoms. This ‘law’ has never been observed to hold true. Yes, it was dreamed up by Hahnemann when he experienced some chills and feverish sensations after ingesting cinchona bark – a known antimalarial drug at the time. But even N=1 example of this ‘law’ turned out to be wrong: no other doctor succeeded in replicating Hahnemann’s findings.
            – The law of infinitesimals, or “Higher Dilution = More Potent Medicine”: this ‘law’ too does not hold in reality. Generally, diluting a substance makes it less potent. Yes, there is this effect called hormesis, where a small dose of a substance can have a biological effect opposite to a large dose, but those doses are infinitely higher than the dosages commonly used in homeopathy – because homeopathy generally dilutes substances to a dose of zero.
            – The concept of Proving, or “Identifying Medicines by Given them to Healthy People”: you will have to admit that this must be the stupidest principle of them all: if you want to find out if a medicine cures sick people, you must give it to sick people, and see if they get better. Giving potential medicines to healthy people does not say anything about therapeutic effects; at best, it says something about its safety and side effects.

            Homeopathy de facto claims that plain water without any active ingredient whatsoever can be used to treat a huge number of conditions. This is simply impossible. You can’t treat ailments with substances that are not there, just like you can’t eat from an empty plate. The fact that the water once was in contact(*) with a particular substance or that the plate once held food is completely irrelevant.

            *: And even this is in fact not true: at 30C dilution, there is not even a single water molecule left that has been in contact with the original ‘active ingredient’ – all you end up with is the diluent that was used in the last 10 or so dilutions.

            Yes, I know that homeopaths claim that their shaken water has some sort of ‘memory’. Unfortunately, this claim too falls flat on its face: not a trace of such a memory effect has ever been observed in proper scientific research.

            All of homeopathy simply contradicts our most basic knowledge of chemistry, physics and biology.

            So in the end, all homeopathic dilutions are just water, period. Consequently, not one homeopath has ever succeeded in distinguishing even one homeopathic product from another one. NOT ONE. In fact, several organizations even promised large sums of money (up to 1 million dollars) to anyone who could reliably distinguish between two or more different homeopathic products by any means they wished, including administering it to people, sick or healthy. And sure enough: nobody has ever succeeded, and the prize money so far has remained unclaimed. In fact, not a single homeopath even tried to claim the money.
            This may well be the best evidence that homeopathy does not work – AND THAT HOMEOPATHS KNOW THIS TOO. Why else would these people refuse to actually prove that their magic works? The first homeopath to deliver such proof would not just get very rich, (s)he would likely receive world fame and multiple Nobel prizes for creating effective yet completely safe medicines at almost zero cost. (And oh, for showing us that our current understanding of medicine, chemistry and physics is completely wrong.)

          • In a complete emergency I will do what is right and go to a hospital. But until I need to I will continue with what I believe is right.

            you chose to not believe in its abilities and believe it’s a placebo. And so what if it is…

            A serious illness that won’t go away with a placebo effect wouldn’t necessarily feel like a complete emergency, though. Cancer, say.
            And you might not be aware of what you need to do, if you get a serious illness. People’s thinking changes over the years while they’re generally healthy and relying on an alt-med practitioner. Partly, that’s because the alt-med practitioner is likely putting down mainstream medicine a lot over those years, and amplifying whatever fears or biases their customer may have against it.

          • Richard Rasker wrote:

            Homeopathy de facto claims that plain water without any active ingredient whatsoever can be used to treat a huge number of conditions. This is simply impossible. You can’t treat ailments with substances that are not there, just like you can’t eat from an empty plate.

            But even super-diluted homeopathic preparations have an active ingredient: the belief of the patient, and how the homeopath acts towards the patient.
            Many diseases have a psychosomatic aspect, and if the homeopath does something to improve the patient’s emotional state or decrease their stress or whatever, it could affect the disease.
            And GERD seems to have psychosomatic aspects.

            Acid reflux and anxiety may share a close link. Some research suggests that anxiety might make acid reflux symptoms worse. …
            Stress can worsen acid reflux symptoms, and anxiety is a natural response to stress in the body.

            A 2018 study involving more than 19,000 people found that those with anxiety were more likely to experience GERD symptoms.

            The researchers suggested several possible physical reasons for this:

            * Anxiety may reduce pressure in the lower esophageal sphincter, which is the band of muscle that keeps the stomach closed and prevents acid from leaking into the esophagus.

            * Stress responses and anxiety may cause long lasting muscle tension. If this affects the muscles around the stomach, it could increase pressure in this organ and push the acid up.
            * High anxiety levels may increase stomach acid production.
            In some cases, people with anxiety who had the same number of acid reflux episodes as people without anxiety rated these episodes as more severe.

            The authors of a study in Clinical Gastroenterology and Hepatology also found that among people with GERD, the symptoms — including pain and heartburn — were more severe in those who had higher levels of anxiety.

            In 2019, researchers noted that people with GERD who experienced chest pain had significantly higher levels of depression and anxiety that those who did not have pain in this part of the body.

        • Jen Kozy wrote “And yes science does trial and error…”

          Trial and error is a fundamental method of problem solving. It is characterized by repeated, varied attempts which are continued until success, or until the practicer stops trying.

          According to W.H. Thorpe, the term was devised by C. Lloyd Morgan (1852–1936) after trying out similar phrases “trial and failure” and “trial and practice”. Under Morgan’s Canon, animal behaviour should be explained in the simplest possible way. Where behavior seems to imply higher mental processes, it might be explained by trial-and-error learning. An example is a skillful way in which his terrier Tony opened the garden gate, easily misunderstood as an insightful act by someone seeing the final behavior. Lloyd Morgan, however, had watched and recorded the series of approximations by which the dog had gradually learned the response, and could demonstrate that no insight was required to explain it.

          Edward Lee Thorndike was the initiator of the theory of trial and error learning based on the findings he showed how to manage a trial-and-error experiment in the laboratory. In his famous experiment, a cat was placed in a series of puzzle boxes in order to study the law of effect in learning. He plotted to learn curves which recorded the timing for each trial. Thorndike’s key observation was that learning was promoted by positive results, which was later refined and extended by B. F. Skinner’s operant conditioning.

          Trial and error is also a method of problem solving, repair, tuning, or obtaining knowledge. In the field of computer science, the method is called generate and test (Brute force). In elementary algebra, when solving equations, it is guess and check.

          This approach can be seen as one of the two basic approaches to problem-solving, contrasted with an approach using insight and theory. However, there are intermediate methods which for example, use theory to guide the method, an approach known as guided empiricism.

          This way of thinking has become a mainstay of Karl Popper’s critical rationalism.

          END of QUOTE

          However, homeopathy is ‘rubbish’.

          • Jen Kozy wrote “And yes science does trial and error…”

            Trial and error is a fundamental method of problem solving. It is characterized by repeated, varied attempts which are continued until success, or until the practicer stops trying.

            Or until the patient stops coming back, or dies. Homeopaths call this “individualisation”.

          • Or until the patient stops coming back, or dies. Homeopaths call this “individualisation”.

            It’s also called an “inconclusive” outcome. Definitely not a failure of homeopathy. If anything has failed, it is only the client.

  • Wow! yesterday i dropped a couple of the homeo remedy sulphuric acidum on my little chickies who haven’t laid in months. today i have 5 eggs in the basket already! and its in the middle of winter. Last year, one of the girls was paralysed and couldn’t walk. kept falling over. gave her a drip of homeo Causticum 30c and yeehaaaa she was up in walking in a few seconds. my friend got spike proteined by the jab as she worked at the local bakery for a couple of days (after the local Bunnings hard drug drive providing ppl with free jabbies and free toxic white bread rolls and preservative and chemically laden snags). needless to say all the young kids working at the bakery got jabbed the weekend before. jessie didn’t know this. she’d been studying social work in Perth. on the thursday morning she sms me to ask if i could collect her organics veg box. i waited til the afternoon and went picked up the boxes. when i delivered her i dropped the box and totally freaked out. i asked her if she was okay (she’s rather a quiet shy type). she answered ‘no’. i asked her what was wrong and she told me about her job working with the jabbied at the bakery. OMG. her face was yellow and distorted (normally she is so attractive). she said she’d had stomach problems, throat, aching body and felt temperature. i said to her that i’d cured myself of the ‘korona’ when it first came along pre jab. i used homeo Aconite 30C (i had no respiratory problems and neither did jessie otherwise i would go for thuja (spruce) 30C or higher depending on voracity of the breathing issues). she didn’t know anything about homeo. she wanted to drink form the bottle. i said just to drop a couple of drips on the face or lips is fine. don’t touch anything with the dripper and replace it directly to the bottle after use. the next morning i got an sms from jess saying ‘thank you so much. i can’t believe it. it must be a miracle. i am all cured but for a bit of body lethargy so i’ve taken a couple more drops. i’m off to my job at the organic cafe.’ i said ‘bless you’. sadly jess went on to jab to get herself the job she deserved (she’d been dux every year so had great ambitions). i did warn her about her body being her castle but young people today no longer listen to wisdom (or, in fact, understand what it is). the young also have none of the three Ds (discipline, dexterity and determination) which all go to make the perfect person!

    • “yesterday i dropped a couple of the homeo remedy sulphuric acidum on my little chickies who haven’t laid in months. today i have 5 eggs in the basket already!”
      that totally convinced me!
      may I join your cult?

    • …young people today no longer listen to wisdom…

      How would you know that?

    • @meremortal55
      Interesting! And I can relate to a lot of your remarkable healing anecdotes, with just one difference: in all those cases, I did NOT use homeopathic products.

      Also, I’m in persistent good health while NOT using homeopathic products – quite contrary to what I see with people who visit homeopaths and use homeopathic products: they all have various complaints and minor but annoying health issues, often for months or even years on end.

      All this tells me that NOT using homeopathy is the best way to become and/or stay healthy!

      • well i’m not obviously one of the types you’ve referred to above. neither are my animals (my last dog didn’t visit a vet in his life and lived til well over quarter of a decade. same with my hens. they last for over 30 years. most people think they live til 3 years! i’m 66. 50kg. still surfing one of the most dangerous waves on the planet. never taken a drug since i was outta my parents claws. grow all my own food and make it all. don’t eat anything from plastic bags. i believe examples and experiences set the record. most of the vaccinated are now either dead or have cancer, heart attacks or coughing fits or keep getting sick. the UNvaxt reign supreme! yeeehaaa! keep taking yahs drugs mate. that’s exactly what this last scam was about. get vaxt and remove all hopeless, useless people who do not question the broader aspects of life. they aren’t worth the salt of the earth so why are they here?

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